11th March 2010

“Religious opinions need not be privileged simply because they bear the label of faith.”

Faisal al Yafai

22 Responses to “11th March 2010”

  1. GoodWithoutGod Says:

    This is as true a quote as I’ve read here.

    And this easily extends to the right of people to ridicule religious opinions based on the same reasoning. I speak of Muslims who get their panties in a knot over the depiction of Mohammad with the body of a dog, for example. All I can say is: get used to it.

    As is often said, I’ll stop making fun of your ideas as soon as you stop having funny ideas.

  2. John Says:

    GoodWithoutGod:

    I second it! And dido on your: “As is often said, I’ll stop making fun of your ideas as soon as you stop having funny ideas.”

    I just had dinner with a full blown, been on a mission, ex-morman. Wow, his deprogramming will take it’s time however; there is hope as he told me he “is starting to feel the euphoria of free thought and that stupid BS burden of faith is over. That always trying to prove to the others you have more faith crap”.

  3. solomon Says:

    BS burden over for a while maybe, but the eternal burden of Hell forever

  4. tech Says:

    I actually ,totally agree with todays quote.Ther are alot of pretenders out there. Some use the words: faith, christain, rightious & religious rather loosely.One can be very religious, and not even come close to being a Christain.I think Johns friend Is still eating baby food so to speak.There comes a time when in your christain walk you need to start eating solid food.Life is not all sunshine.

  5. tech Says:

    Solomon for a person who seems to believe in God you have a lot of anger inside.Your choice of words also leave a lot to be desired. You should check into that.

  6. steve Says:

    Religious opinions ought not be privileged until proven. Once proven, I would give it props, the like of which have never seen before. But we are still waiting for even partial substantiation.

    Anytime someone claims a higher authority they should be subject to higher scrutiny. That includes Tiger Woods, the Pope, Mo, who ever presumes to be a higher authority. Tiger knows golf, but is hardly an authority on morality. The Pope knows his church’s dogma, but is wholly unsuited as a moral compass, since he is deliberately misleading millions. Mo was what he was – a child buggaring misogynist.

    We all tend to give religious thought a lot of deference because of our culture being predominantly a superstitious lot. Religion has not earned that deference.

    Tech, I owe you an apology.

    Your post directly above is lucid, thoughtful, and fairly well expressed. I have taken you to task as a loony before this time, but I am impressed by this instance. Keep it up!

  7. Holysmokes Says:

    I am actually more surprised at the people who put so-called “privileged persons” on a pedestal. I have no more respect for the Pope’s comments then the next person. Why on earth would anyone of character feel that religious opinions are privileged? Faith is a piss poor excuse for facts and evidence. Religious opinions should always be taken to task, especially if unsubstantiated claims are made. We do this with science because it is the right thing to. The same can be said of everyday life. Why does logic and common sense fall of the wagon when it comes to religion? Humans are a strange lot.

  8. CaptainZero1969 Says:

    Holy – you missed the memo. The Pope is infallible.

    Religious opinions, like all other opinions, can be safely ignored right up to the point they start trying to craft policy that tells other people, whether from another religion or secular, what to do.

  9. steve Says:

    There was an old blowhard named Steve
    whose thoughts could be fancifully weaved
    Though he thought himself sane
    In truth, was just Vain
    by his postings the godbots grew peeved.

    So if you have thoughts you believe
    take a chance, but try not to deceive
    for by posting you’ll find
    you expose thoughts to minds
    where imagined beliefs take reprieve.

  10. Holysmokes Says:

    Captain,
    The Pope is inflatable? Really? That’s a gas! lol

    steve,
    That whole rhyming thing is ….so last week! You need to keep up with the times mate! I have to admit its a good poem though. :o)

  11. steve Says:

    Well Holysmokes, then what is on the agenda for this week?

    No poems, Tech makes a quality post, Sollie gets to the word ‘hell’ in under 20 words; What is this place coming to?

    At least we can count on Vatican city for continuity:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/vaticancityandholysee/7416458/Chief-exorcist-says-Devil-is-in-Vatican.html

  12. steve Says:

    A clergyman was walking down the street when he came
    upon a group of about a dozen boys,
    all of them between 10 and 12 years of age.
    The group surrounded a dog.
    Concerned the boys were hurting the dog, he went over and asked,
    “What are you doing with that dog?”
    One of the boys replied,
    “This dog is just an old neighborhood stray.
    We all want him, but only one of us can take him home.
    So we’ve decided that whichever one of us can tell
    the biggest lie will get to keep the dog.”
    The reverend was taken aback.
    “You boys shouldn’t be having a contest telling lies!” he exclaimed.
    He then launched into a 10-minute sermon against lying, beginning,
    “Don’t you boys know it’s a sin to lie?” and ending with,
    “Why, when I was your age, I never told a lie.”
    There was dead silence for about a minute.
    Just as the reverend was beginning to think he’d gotten through to them,
    the smallest boy gave a deep sigh and said,
    “All right, give him the dog.”

  13. The Heretic Says:

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/02/09/iran.protests/index.html

    Apparently Iran doesn’t agree with the quote as they are jailing and planning to execute people for “waging war against god”. The sooner their people overthrow their gov’t the better. What a bunch of lunatics.

  14. Atheist MC Says:

    Tech

    Some use the words: faith, christain, rightious & religious rather loosely.

    part of a sensible comment. However how can you be sure that your interpretation of the above is the right one? maybe you are playing fast and loose with the true meanings.
    Cap’n

    Holy – you missed the memo. The Pope is infallible.

    Actually it depends on what he’s sitting on at the time So we know what he sits on most of the time.
    Holysmokes

    The Pope is inflatable? Really? That’s a gas! lol

    He’s also fellatable, which sucks!
    GWG

    As is often said, I’ll stop making fun of your ideas as soon as you stop having funny ideas.

    Classic, I will be stealing that one loads (don’t expect a credit though )

  15. tech Says:

    Gentlemen , there is not one person on this site that don’t have faith.You see if you didn’t have faith, a simple thing like crossing the street wouldn’t happen.You have to believe you can make it to the other side without getting ran over by a vehicle. You know that this has happened before people get run down.So your faith allows you to cross the street.

  16. steve Says:

    Tech, I have faith in cars, roads, and lots of things that are easily found and real. Those things are reliable and they exist. I just don’t have faith in “imaginary friends” that only a few people can see.

    Because, until someone, somewhere somehow manages to make a simple demonstration that they are real, there is no proof, just delusion.

    And no, cryptic contradictory messages in a bronze age compilation of scripts does not constitute evidence.

    So, take your argument one step further. I agree, in this definition, that we all have faith in road crossings. What faith are you advocating, and what is your proof?

  17. CaptainZero1969 Says:

    Tech – the comment started off so promising… Yes, I’d say all people have faith. I have faith that the sun will rise tomorrow based of the strength of the pattern. I don’t however find faith sufficient to cross a street. For this task, actual observation of the traffic is preferrable. Faith would be placing a blindfold over your eyes and then stepping out into traffic, secure that you’ll make it to the other side unscathed.

    Now, suppose you do make it. Does your faith deserve any credit or is it more likely that the drivers decided against folding their cars around you or that you were just simply lucky?

  18. Tony Provenzano Says:

    @the quote…shaking head back and forth…

    Of course they shouldn’t be “privileged” because of a “label of faith!”

    I for one feel like I’m in the Dark Ages when I discuss this issue.

    “Faith” should not be privileged, condoned, liked, spoken, or in the dictionary. But since I’ve been unsuccessful in its eradication, look it up, and split the definition in two:
    1. a belief without proof or evidence
    2. what a person believes

    Make sure when speaking to the faithful that they know which definition it is that you are (hopefully) maligning. So often they confuse themselves by using both definitions interchangeably; and they mean one and I mean the other.

    Aw, hell, just rip it out of the dictionary and save yourself a bit on toiletpaper expenditures.

  19. Holysmokes Says:

    I dunno Tony, faith is extremely abrasive. It could give you hemorrhoids.

  20. GoodWithoutGod Says:

    Captain, that was a great way to point out the fallacy of tech’s statement on faith. I couldn’t have said it any better.

    It reminds me of the quip: I have complete faith that jumping off the roof won’t kill me. I’m not sure I can say the same about hitting the ground.

  21. solomon Says:

    You all are talking about faith without realy knowing what comes along with faith.I’ll cite you a simple example.You cannot leave your donkey or your horse or your car untied or unlock and have faith it wil not lost or stolen.So faith comes with or some form of guarantee.When it comes to faith in god,it too have some form of evidence which the Atheist lots allways try to dismiss it.The evidence are all the creations that is found around you.So faith doesnt come empty handed.

  22. solomon Says:

    Dear tech, thanks for your reminder regarding the anger in me.In fact I.’ve tried to be as polite as possible but these Atheist lots seems to take the advantage of making a mockery out of our views.I undestand that as one who upholds religion should exercise a lot of patience, but at certain instance one needs to show confrontation.Lets take it that they are at war.