19th March 2010

“Over the years many people urged me to read the Bible to 'see the "truth" for myself'. Actually, I have read it. I read it from the beginning, and kept wondering, 'what in the world are these guys saying?' The Bible-reading exercise pushed me to read it, and mostly I found it drivel. And in many places, quite ugly.”

Ellery Schempp

17 Responses to “19th March 2010”

  1. CaptainZero1969 Says:

    Yep. That’s about how I felt as well. I wasn’t an atheist until I became interested enough in the “truth” that I decided to go to the source and read it myself. Drivel, contradictory, illogical and violent. And in many places demonstrably false. All of which explains sufficiently the apparent attitudes of those declaring themselves to be the most devout.

  2. NoReflection Says:


  3. Steve Says:

    WELL IT SURE IS A NICE DAY – whoops, sorry for the shouting. I know that is rude. (hint, hint Mr NRFlecshun)

    I was forced to read and memorize huge sections of the Bible as a child, and I remember at the time thinking that these dudes sure don’t like women! Lots of blood, vengeance, mayhem, quirky, bad-attitude nonsense. A few interesting parts, a few things are even poetic. But over all, much like the Koran, it is a relic, deserving to be read for historical value.

    There is one huge lesson we can learn from the Bible, though: Never Again.

  4. GoodWithoutGod Says:

    It was a painful experience, but one I’m glad I undertook. In fact, I’m thinking of re-reading it just to brush up on the lunacy within its covers.

  5. John Says:

    “There is one huge lesson we can learn from the Bible, though: Never Again.”

    That is in a word….


  6. solomon Says:

    You all have been reading the wrong book.Thats why you all did’nt get the benefit.You all should read the qoran.

  7. Oxymoronic Christhinker Says:

    Funny, I hear some atheists say the best way to become an atheist is to read the Bible. I hear some theists say the best way to know God is to read the Bible. Atheist or theist, those who say this read the Bible literally and literally only. The composition of the Bible itself suggests that one should not read it literally at all. Why would anyone, atheist or theist, read such a book literally? Far as I can tell, they read it that way so that each can use such a reading against their respective straw-man enemies; theists against “immoral atheists,” atheists against “ignorant theists.” Neither reading does justice to the actual history and content of the text or to the sincerity of thoughtful atheists and theists. Both sides choose ignorance and silly sound-bites over substance and dialog. Tiresome.

    I’ll say this, however: the ignorance and silly sound bites of atheists are far and away more preferable to the inanities of the Solomons of the world.

  8. Hypatia Says:

    Neither reading does justice

    Oh come on Oxy – you cannot be serious.

    If God existed and he wanted a holy book it wouldn’t be this incoherent, inconsistent, reprehensible nonsense. The bible clearly is a fraud – like every other ‘holy’ book written by man (including the qoran solomon).

  9. Atheist MC Says:

    The Bible at least has some good narratives in part (especially if you like slash/horror/fantasy). The Qu’ran is a tedious polemic, reading it leaves you brain dead.

    “There is one huge lesson we can learn from the Bible, though: Never Again.”

    That is in a word….



  10. CaptainZero1969 Says:

    Oxy – what is the proper non-literal understanding of the story of the daughter of Jeptha? Taken literally or metaphorically it SEEMS to be that child murder in the service of promises made to god are desirable. I’m sure I’m off the mark and you’ll enlighten me…

    I mean, come on. There is much in there that seems intended as metaphor but also a ton that was clearly intended to be literal. In either case, the moral of the stories falls far short of where a modern morality would bring you. This alone is sufficient to discard any idea of the book being a tool of the divine.

    I can’t say it enough. Any means of communication that a divine being would chose to employ would be impossible to ignore and it’s message impossible to misinterpret. If She used something like the bible we can only conclude that She WANTED us to fuck it all up. (sorry).

  11. steve Says:

    Come on Oxy – I think it is always good to at least have a peek at both sides of an issue. I hardly think that there are a ton of atheists out there advocating serious study of the bible or koran. Read a few pages in either one and you start to figure out that there are some serious psychotic issues going on within.

    ‘Soundbites’? Try a different measure, then. Take a chapter, take a book, take whatever size you need. These are still some pretty fekked up books.

    Captain nailed it in the first post: “Drivel, contradictory, illogical and violent. And in many places demonstrably false. All of which explains sufficiently the apparent attitudes of those declaring themselves to be the most devout.”

  12. John Says:

    How ’bout as books of convenience for the religions of convenience? Today this preacher interprets the words to mean this way and tomorrow that preacher interprets the words to mean that way. So that makes those old tired books tools of convenience for the religions of convenience. On the literal days it is “Okay to married and rape little kids” and in the not so “literal days, it is a crime” That makes it a convenience…

  13. Holysmokes Says:

    I think I see everyone’s problem here. You have to read it in it’s original languages to get the full effect. You know, …Gibberish and Klingon.

    But seriously, one would think that if you TRULY believed in all things biblical, you would take the time to learn Aramaic, Greek, Latin, Hebrew and whatever languages the books were originally written in to fully understand it. Let’s face it, we are talking about all of eternity here. Do you really want to leave your, “forever after” up to a bunch of so-called experts to interpret it for you?

    That’s why I for one am completely versed in Piglatin. Those Muppet pigs aren’t going into space without me!

  14. steve Says:

    Olysmokes-hay – ou-yay are-hay illiant-bray.

  15. GoodWithoutGod Says:

    I can see where Oxy is coming from, but I feel that if a book is written “in stages” by different people at different times, you’re going to end up with a product that is not coherent in thought or in message. This describes the Bible quite accurately, in my opinion.

    As for the Koran, this book is nauseatingly mind-numbing. It is filled with hate and intolerance and speaks volumes to the tribal, violent nature of it’s human author.

  16. Secular Response Says:

    “Realizing that the Hebrew Bible mentioned other gods, and that some stories bore a similarity to earlier faiths, confirmed to me that religion was a human construction.”
    – Todd Stiefel

    I had a very similar experience, though being brought up a Jehovah’s Witness provided my parents with no incentive to higher education, so I needed to learn this truth on my own. Interestingly, it was a Brother in the Hall who encouraged me to delve into the Bible as a work of literature rather than a Holy text, and I then read the Bible in it’s entirety over a summer vacation. The fact that YHWH mentions other gods (small g!) was not lost on me, even at the age of eleven. I also asked my Mother how she felt about her role as a female in our religion, and how she felt about bringing up my three sisters to share that fate. This was when the term ‘black sheep’ began to be used regularly at home and family gatherings! (also when my parents threw me to the wolves, AKA Elders!) LOL!

  17. solomon Says:

    Read the Qoran first. Then come back to me and cite which one you did’nt understand and which one is not true and contradicts if youre the man of truth.