30th April 2010

“In the eye of everyone save the believer religious faith is necessarily subjective, being incommunicable by any kind of proof or evidence. It may of course be true; but the ascertainment of such a truth lies beyond the means by which laws are made in a reasonable society. Therefore it lies only in the heart of the believer, who is alone bound by it. No one else is or can be so bound, unless by his own free choice he accepts its claims.”

Lord Justice Laws

11 Responses to “30th April 2010”

  1. Bornagain A. Theist Says:

    …and yet, historically, many religions have indeed created laws that are based solely on religion. I quote the insane, blithering idiot Mike Huckabee:

    “I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution. But I believe it’s a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living god. And that’s what we need to do — to amend the Constitution so it’s in God’s standards rather than try to change God’s standards so it lines up with some contemporary view.”

    I would expect another insane, blithering idiot who is a clear and present danger to America from the fine state of Alaska to wholeheartedly agree. After all, she’s a new earth creationist who advocates home schooling. That’s enough to disqualify her by proxy from holding any office or position of responsibility.



  2. solomon Says:

    Well put Mike….Bravo….

  3. solomon Says:

    If you doubt theres a possibility of Hell, just gaze at the Sun.

    Sorry Admin. Just a short note.I can’t stand saying out what crosses my mind.

  4. tech Says:

    Bat , stop and think for a minute , why is everybody else the idiot? You and your friends have all the right answers everyone else is wrong. Bat why don’t you batter?

  5. Mike W Says:

    This statement is absolutely brilliant and it simply ends all discussion of the relationship between religion and and government.

  6. Bornagain A. Theist Says:

    Hey! I did it. I stopped and thought for a minute. And I realized something I have omitted recently – possibly forever.

    Some (strike that: most if not all on these boards) may not be aware that I have been an insane blithering idiot. Yes I have, and it really doesn’t bother me to say that.

    It’s like being a recovering alcoholic. I wear it like a badge of honor.

    I was totally involved in a christian church; I have read the new testament a dozen times or more; I have personally led several people to christ; I have preached from the pulpit; I have given of myself and my funds to further the cause for god and christ.

    The deal breaker is that I started to think, started to listen, started to really pay attention to what I had been reading and was reading in the holy scriptures – and started paying attention to what I was hearing from the pulpit.

    When one begins to apply reason in ones consideration of what the bible and the preachers are saying, those teachings fall apart. When one looks around both currently and historically and sees what “faith” has produced in this world, those teachings not only fall apart, but it can cause one to repent; yes repent! I have repented of everything I did to further the cause of god and christ and church. I have repented of everything I have ever done to further the cause of religion on this planet.

    It is all wrong and everyone who clings to religion is delusional. Look it up. One is delusional when one clings to beliefs when there is no evidence whatsoever for their existence.

    There is no evidence for god or christ or church or religion except in the deluded mind. I am free.

    And I am sorry that I was once an insane, blithering idiot like Mike Huckabee and anyone who would support the stupidity that he espouses.



  7. solomon Says:

    BAT….you’re a condemn soul

  8. John Says:

    Thank you for sharing your journey to reason; as it is an inspiration to us all as the more people that hear dialogue like this; the more that will be lead away from those Dark Age stories of despair and out of the clouds of fear. There will be a new hope for the Human race. There is an ever increasing and louder group of people out there like you sharing your journeys.

    Another thought that a would like to add via this posting is my open inquiry for Tech that I think follows along with today’s quote: Tech, have you come up with an explanation as to the how and the why you believe jesus christ died for your sins so many years before you where born? How did jc know which sins you where going to commit some 1950 +/- years ago that he could die for? AYR


  9. Alavi Hossain Says:

    it truly is sad to see grown men believing in such fairy tails. without proof, how can one accept something or have faith in the first place? just because religion has helped someone through a tough time doesnt make that religion true. i think fear, loneliness, and insignificance are large factors in keeping religion alive. we are in an age of reason and we need to start understanding the way the world works, without resorting to age old scripture and dogma. someones internal and personal feelings does not account for the truth. we nee to base our knowledge and beliefs through logical means and practical ideas.


  10. CaptainZero1969 Says:

    Well said, BAT. If I read a book that extols the virtues of the FSM and I go out and exhort others about the FSM’s goodness and the necessity of everyone to believe in the FSM and adopt His Holy Pirate Regalia then almost everyone would consider me, correctly, delusional.

    How is my belief without evidence in the FSM different from the belief without evidence of a believer in God/Jesus/Krishna/Odin/Bal/Anubis/Set/Faries/Sprites/Dragons/Ghosts/etc ad infinitum?

    It is exactly the same thing. If my belief without evidence is delusional, then your belief without evidence is equally delusional.

  11. Bornagain A. Theist Says:

    CZ, I’ll have you know that I took holy FSM communion just last night and it refreshenethed my soul. The selfsame soul that I losteth several posts earlier via “condemn”.