8th June 2010

“Religion stirs up the most controversy when roughly half the population is actively religious; conflict ebbs when the devout constitute large majorities or small minorities.”

Ross Douthat

22 Responses to “8th June 2010”

  1. Devout Atheist Says:

    I am hopeful that science and education will eventually win over the ignorant, bigoted, and naive.

  2. Devout Atheist Says:

    “Hit enter too quickly.” Free thinking people may one day be the majority and spread common sense and freedom from oppressive mythologies.

  3. CaptainZero1969 Says:

    Where large religious majorities exist, freedom is, not surprisingly, in short supply. The most religious societies are also the most repressive, with the U.S. being the obvious exception. An exception within an exception can be found in Mormon Utah where the homogeneously religious cult controls its members very strictly. So, the only reason the rest of the U.S. enjoys little religious repression lies in the multitude of competing faiths with none dominant, 80% subscription rate notwithstanding. Contrast this with peaceful Saudi Arabia where people are pulled off the street and beaten by roving gangs of religious zealots for things like holding hands with members of the opposite sex or not growing a beard.

  4. an american scientist Says:

    There are far, far too many bloody counter examples to Mr. Douthat’s assertion; those being cases in which the devout majority comes into contact with another devout majority that happens to believe a slightly different set of myths.

  5. Braathwaate Says:

    Ever since the age of enlightenment Christian countries have been enacting laws that keep Christian majorities from “running amuck”. Islam is just hundreds of years behind the curve.

  6. solomon Says:

    Devout Atheist,

    Don’t dream of a majority of a free thinking society. They will all be destroyed soon, destroyed by their own despicable act.(Homosex=Hiv=no cure).
    When most of your lots have been wiped off from the surface of the earth, there will be peace,harmony on these earth. Wealth will pour in from every corners. The world will be inherited by true god abiding subjects.

  7. Devout Atheist Says:

    You’re so right….History has shown such utopian societies in countries and regions of the world with nearly 100% religious penetration. Violence and corruption exponentially increase as religion approaches saturation. Believe in my god or Die!

  8. Hypatia Says:

    destroyed by their own despicable act.(Homosex=Hiv=no cure).

    Sol, Surely it can’t have escaped your notice that Hiv is most prevalent in the more devout countries of the world. Try comparing the figures for Scandinavia and Africa.

    The only thing that counts on this site are facts. Try looking for some to support your fantasies and we’ll start listening.

  9. PEB Says:

    It’s difficult to understand the point of the quote and you could almost apply the same thinking to race or even wealth.
    It’s been said before but secular countries are home to wealthier people who have better health care and education systems than poorer, more religious countries (Saudi being the exception thanks to it’s finite oil resources).
    Perhaps this is gods/allah’s odd sense of humour at work. –
    “Punish those who worship me the most!”

    …and if I must confront Sol on the subject of HIV then I think he’ll find that it has little to do with sexuality. Try reading about HIV rates in largely Muslim dominated countries such as Somalia or Ethiopia.

  10. Braathwaate Says:

    Soloman, what I cannot understand about Muslim heaven is it seems like a 24/7 sex party with no limit on the number sex partners to choose from including 72 virgins and 28 young pre-pubescent boys for their pleasure & liquor (wine) to get drunk on! Many of the things Muslims look forward to in heaven if practiced on earth would send them to hell. Not only that but it seems that Muslim heaven is not heaven for everyone as some will be sex slaves. Obviously to these virgins & young boys that are used as sex slaves this is not heaven, are they sent to hell after being used up?

  11. solomon Says:

    The condition in heaven is not for you to rant following your useless fantasies. By that time we are enjoying the fruits of our labour in Heaven by being patient and abide to gods rules in life while you and your lots are jumping around helplessly in the unbearable heat of HELL!

  12. Braathwaate Says:

    Solomon, heaven is a fantasy. It just seems odd to me that Muslims look forward to heaven & doing things that their god forbids on earth.

  13. PEB Says:

    Sadly, as funny as it is the 72 virgins/wives tale is a myth and is not something the vast majority of Muslims believe in.
    Sol, if Islam is the religion of peace I doubt allah will be pleased with your comments.

  14. Braathwaate Says:

    The beliefs and values in the Koran are inherently evil, hateful and spiteful. The Koran describes Allah as a capricious being who damns and blesses whoever he feels like, and intentionally deceives the majority of “unbelievers”, stopping their ears, blinding their eyes, MOCKING THEM, and consigning them to eternal torture with no hope of reform, while the righteous slop like pigs at a trough in a paradise of rivers of wine, and unlimited sexual pleasures with supernatural Houri virgins & young boys.

    Mohammed knew that sex would sell very well among the group of his lecherous followers who were motivated to fight battles by the promise of sex slaves and booty. By constantly emphasizing to his followers that they would get untouched virgins in Paradise, Mohammed is clearly expressing his “high” opinion of the institution of marriage and his fairness to women. Once the followers go to heaven, they can conveniently ditch their wives for the fresher and more pleasurable sexual encounters with ‘Houris’ (beautiful virgins). Not only that, the poor wives who gave up their virginity for the pleasure of their husbands do not get even one Male Sex Bomb. But wait, Allah is all merciful! He gives the wives the rare honour of watching their husbands deflower those 72 Houris (virgins) and 28 young pre-pubescent boys.

  15. Braathwaate Says:

    Homosexuality was and is widely practised in Islamic conutries. To please the homosexuals among his followers he promised them pre-pubescent boys in Paradise. So after committing plunder, loot, rape and murder in this life, the followers of Islam get “rewarded” by untouched virginal youths who are fresh like pearls.

  16. PEB Says:

    Braaithwaate. Whilst I admire what you are trying to achieve there is little point cuttting and pasting half truths from random biased websites.
    Debating the lies of religion with more lies isn’t the answer. There are plenty of inconsistencies in the bible and the quran without having to make them up.

  17. Braathwaate Says:

    I don’t find the bible any better the the Koran. In fact it may very well be worst. Islam needs to go through an enlightenment period that the Christians went through hundreds of years ago.

    Having lost a friend in the south tower on 9/11, I’m just in shock at the moment after hearing that there is a plan to build a mosque near ground zero in NYC.

  18. Atheist MC Says:

    Actually Islam went through its enlightenment well before christianity. Arguably, the crusades were responsible for stifling it in its infancy

  19. CaptainZero1969 Says:

    A-Mc – the stab at balance is admirable but I think they’d had enough time post-crusades to recover. Instead, we seem to be entering an ‘endarkening’ for Islam. The most free of the Islamic countries, Turkey, is only progressive to the degree the government is secular. Seems to be going backward at the moment.

  20. solomon Says:

    To all Atheists,
    Rant what you wish.None of it is true. Spout your lies. At the end of the day you all will end up in HELL! Thats for sure.

  21. solomon Says:

    The Homosexuals=Just like some animals.

    Animals, they are not being told the uselessness of homosexuality,so they are excused. But humans after being told still performs it. Homosexuals, they are just like animals, just following their animal’s lusts. And one more thing…most of them were Atheists…shhhh…

  22. solomon Says:


    The plan of building a mosque near ground zero in NYC is for the hope that there will be no 9/11 incidence in the future. Theres no shock or surprises whatsoever.