19th August 2010

“How much love is there in the concept of eternal torture? The single most evil idea ever thought up by humanity. And it's only in the New Testament.”


30 Responses to “19th August 2010”

  1. solomon Says:

    Eternal torture, a stern warning, only for those who do evil deeds and that kind of judgement is inline with human principle.
    Most human are the most stubborn creatures. Advices, slow talk, coaching, past history does’nt teach them. What they need is some sort of punishment that would inflict fear up their spine. Without these warnings, situation might have become worse. These warnings have indeed save a lot of souls.

  2. Braathwaat Says:

    I believe it can also be found in the Koran. It is an evil idea but has proved to be an effective way to convert non believers, line the church coffers & keep people under control of the church

  3. CaptainZero1969 Says:

    You know, if ‘communion’ had been called ‘ritual cannibalism’, which is what it is, if you’re damn fool enough to believe in ‘transubstantiation’, I think it wouldn’t have caught on. But I digress. The other major evil of the new testament that is morally whitewashed by the wisdom of crowds is that of vicarious redemption. We’re to believe an omni benevolent god couldn’t simply forgive her creation for the evils she knew they would commit since she’s also all-knowing? No, forgiving your sinful creation requires blood sacrifice. Really, god? REALLY??? What a bitch.

  4. Godkilla Says:

    I think that the encouragement to infanticide and homicide in general is probably more evil than the concept of eternal torture. After all one is a concept and the other actually affects us.

    Let’s face it though there are so many evils to choose from.

  5. PEB Says:

    There is a really good article here:

    in which Johann Hari talks about evil acts commited by both Muslims and Catholics.

    We are all capable of doing evil things. It takes a special kind of evil to make up the god lie and then threaten you with hell (but he still loves you…honestly!)

  6. Simon Says:


    Are you suggesting that a few soul’s spending eternity in pain is acceptable so long as on balance a greater number of souls are saved through fear of that fate.

  7. solomon Says:

    After considering their unending stubbornness and prolonged infidelity they should be in hell. But sadly in reality only a few souls are saved and most are not. This is because most of them are ungrateful and have the nerve to curse god.

  8. solomon Says:


    “and then threaten you with hell (but he still loves you…honestly!)”

    You always purposely put god’s nature at the wrong context. For god to be loving is the sustenance he granted to all creatures, the lives, wealth and many others. He give you ample time to think & to repent up to the time before death awaits you.

  9. Margaret Says:

    The church lives in fear=psychological abuse

    Why Scientists Don’t Fear Hell

  10. Wat Duino Says:


    Thanks for the Johann Hari link! Further confirmation of the lunacy of religion. More to the point, our continued tolerance of that lunacy.


    I mean no disrespect to you, but is English your first language? If it is not I will continue to try to understand the context of your posts. If English is your first language, you need to brush up, bro!

  11. Dan Says:

    “For god to be loving is the sustenance he granted to all creatures, the lives, wealth and many others.”

    So I should refer to the guy at the supermarket as God because he sells me the food that sustains me, or should I ask him/her which farmer grew my food and call that farmer God? Or should I refer to Kellog’s Corporation as God, for processing my daily bowl of cereal?

    Same goes for my boss, who signs my paychecks. Should I start calling him “God” instead of “Sir”?

    I’m confused. I always thought that that would be a bit over-the-top, but if you think that’s better…

  12. captainzero1969 Says:

    Godkilla – that’s a good point. You’re right. Hell is evil in the same sense the dark side of the force is evil. It doesn’t exist but Oh! if it did, you’d better watch out!. So-called ‘honor killings’ are a stand out example if we’re going to say out of fairy land. I notice when these stories crop up the media downplays the religious motivations that led to it. I wonder why?

  13. John Says:

    The same can be said for abusing someone; as how often does the abuser say that they abuse out of love? Conveniently ties back into that man created idiotic mind conditioning referred to in yesterdays quote.

  14. solomon Says:

    The solution is very simple. Try to think it this way. Theres nothing to harvest or to process if god does not permit the growth of a single cereal, corn for example. So we still need god don’t we?

  15. solomon Says:

    Wat Duino,

    I just like to express in broken english sometimes.

  16. Braathwaat Says:

    No commodity compares to religion. God is a product marketed to beleaguered buyers with no guarantee, no warranty, no refund for unanswered prayers & in fact no visible product at all. From the sellers point of view it’s perfect. An invisible commodity of nothing but words that promises everything & delivers nothing & those customers disappointed have only themselves to blame for lacking enough faith. All tax free of course

  17. Margaret Says:

    Sol, who permits the growth of cancer cells? Doctors kill god’s work with chemotherapy and radiation treatments. Do you oppose them?

    If you are going to give god the credit for the sprouting of corn, should he not also get the blame for carcinoma? toe fungus? acne? bleeding hemorrhoids?, birth defects?

  18. captainzero1969 Says:

    Well put, Margaret!

  19. The Heretic Says:

    Sometimes I visit this site just to see what vacuous things are said by a trolling few. Today, I am yet again unsurprised to see today’s quote ignored in favor of an argument with someone who doesn’t debate, but instead spews religious dogma and hatrid. I yearn for this site to once again become a debate on the philosophy of a quote. Right now, this site is a farce.

  20. solomon Says:

    God permits the growth of cancer cells & its silly to oppose treatments.
    Diseases or defects are caused by many factors. It can be avoid & eliminated thru prevention or cure. God create diseases not without a cure for it. Its left to the humans to find the antidote. Now theres no reason left to blame for.

  21. Greg Says:

    Without god there is no eternal hellfire.

    For someone to be totally convinced that I am going to hell, they must first totally convince me that there is a god.

    But I have yet to be convinced there is a god in much the same way that I have yet to be convinced there is a tooth fairy.

    Yet I find the idea of a tooth fairy much more appealing than god.

  22. solomon Says:

    How often does a commodity or a product exceeds its warranty period? Warranties are not always obsolete.You don’t need warranty or guarantee. Its a weak contract and god don’t issue it. What god issue are promises. A contract binded by the heart & soul.

  23. Long Time Lurker Says:

    Sol would like to think people go to hell because they are somehow more sinful than believers..

    In reality both parties live their lives in much the same way. One just doesn’t “believe” or spend their time in rituals that are meant to show fealty to a god.

    I don’t understand why God would really care whether or not you believe… you sure would once you die! I wouldn’t wish misfortune on my children just because we had a falling out, much less eternity burning. If God was human it would be locked up in a mental ward because of psychotic anti-social behavior.

  24. Wat Duino Says:

    I find your reply disingenuous. I can’t spend any more time debating with you unless you demonstrate more authenticity.

    You are correct. So, as to today’s quote ” … eternal torture is found only in the New Testament”, look in the Book of Mormon Alma 12:17. I’m sure there are other references to “eternal torture” or other infinite punishments in other religions.

  25. Godkilla Says:

    Heretic, amen to that.

  26. Dan Says:

    “Theres nothing to harvest or to process if god does not permit the growth of a single cereal, corn for example.”

    Wait, now the water, sunlight and CO2 are all Gods???

  27. Dan Says:

    Margaret has a good point regarding the cancer cells too… if God is that which encourages growth and sustainence, are carcinogens God too?

  28. solomon Says:

    water, sunlight,CO2 & carcinogens are all simply “Gods???” creations

  29. Dan Says:

    you said god is what makes the food that’s harvested grow. I.e., god is water, sunlight and CO2 for the harvest. Or should I go back to thinking that God was the guy who asked me “paper or plastic” yesterday afternoon?

  30. Dan Says:

    Also sol, about this comment…
    “God permits the growth of cancer cells & its silly to oppose treatments.”

    Wait wait wait. God killed my grandmother by giving her cancer. Yeah, you’re right, I should oppose God. Thanks for reminding me of that.