7th November 2011

“Religion is the antithesis of science, an anaesthetic for the mind that disables critical thought and encourages the acceptance of inanity as fact, and wishful thinking as evidence.”

P. Z. Myers

17 Responses to “7th November 2011”

  1. n0m0l0s Says:

    Other religions maybe. But true religion…nope.

  2. captainzero Says:

    See above.

  3. Dan Says:

    The true religion doesn’t oppose science? Okay, so again, that rules out the true religion being Christianity or Islam. WHAT ARE YOU?

  4. archaeopteryx Says:

    There is no such thing as “true religion”. The phrase is self contradictory.

    Here’s another link to the same topic: http://www.dcscience.net/?p=4813

  5. Atheist MC Says:

    I think I originally submitted this quote for consideration some months ago. It has in any event been permanently on my blog site since PZ said it on pharyngula. Needless to say I agree with it.

    @n0m0l0s: Please tell me you’re not pulling the old “There is true science in the Qu’ran” nonsense again.
    Also to echo Admin’s perfectly reasonable requests to you, some supporting evidence for your declaritive statements would make for a more fruitful discussion.

  6. Atheist MC Says:

    Here is the original context from PZ’s blog in 2010

  7. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    n0m0l0s if you can reject one, you can reject another, and another can be any of them.

    Truth in any religion can never be found as all religion is built upon falsehoods. Whether it be tales of messiah’s walking upon water, prophetts parting the sea or ascending to heaven. If these things can’t happen today there wasn’t a time where they could have.

    If you can’t accept this statement as fundamentally true you have suspended reason. Suspending reason doesn’t make any religion true, it just makes the person irrational.

    Your “true religion” is just a delusion, nothing more. Put the mushrooms down, and yes, the crack pipe too. That stuff doesn’t help you see god, it fries your brain.

  8. John Says:

    Because n0m0l0s type shows up like this on this website: (n0m0l0s) are you referring to the MORmON religion?

  9. Rotten Ronnie Says:

    @Sinjin, you write very clearly and directly, and almost all of your comments nail your points. However, suggesting to a faithful believer who doesn’t question anything about his faith to ‘put the mushrooms and crack pipe down’ is probably not helpful. I realize you may mean it as a loose metaphor for the drug like state of mind that many believers seem to show, but putting it this way is unnecessarily antagonistic.

    Sol (probably) doesn’t actually use those drugs, so he can easily dismiss your entire comment, in his mind, as just a hateful attack from an atheist. I think you could have left it with calling his ‘true religion’ jbeing ust delusional.

  10. electrabotanical Says:

    Those people who just “know” that Jesus is real because they’ve “accepted” his “love” can fuck off. They’re still irrational.

  11. Jeff Says:

    But, EB, don’t you know that they’ve actually experienced Jesus’ love at the hand of their friendly, local, neighborhood pedophile priest? If Jesus’ love isn’t real, then what really happened to them???

  12. Rj Says:

    one TRUE religion ????

    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!!!!

    note to EB…….

    oh yes, oh yes

  13. Rj Says:

    post at 252

    how are things going at the laughing academy ?????

  14. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    Thank you Ronnie. For your observations and advice.

    I agree ‘put the mushrooms and crack pipe down’ is probably not helpful.

    And yes I did mean it as a loose metaphor for the drug like state of mind

    Sometimes religiosity and what it does to otherwise good people perturbs me. I should not have allowed myself to have become anxious and/or unsettled.

    One thing that bugs me is knowing the faithful have substantial doubts, that in their inner voice they very frequently question their faith. That instead of speak about that, instead of taking a chance and admitting that they don’t actually feel any presence of god in their lives they perpetuate the lie. They are so fearful, guilted, shamed they can’t let who they really are show through.

    It is as if they are stuck in prison, not for a locked door, but for a closed mind. Solomon’s is a case that so very clearly illustrates this happeneing. He holds up his “true religion” blather more to convince himself than anyone else. He feels that if he can stand amid the anti-religious and repeat his mantra enough he is somehow validating himself.

    Plato’s Allegory of the Cave really says it all.

  15. John Says:

    Sinjin Smythe:

    What if poor old solomon lives in an area where if one does not constantly profess his love for the one true religion of the pedophile five times daily; as rope learned as a child; one will be killed? What if each time one meets a fellow follower of the pedophiles one true religion they all must rejoice in the word and praise allah or be killed? What if you can be killed for just thinking and being?

    Does it not mean that old solomon is afraid of the voices under the bed and death? Maybe old solomon doesn’t what to go see allah… Maybe old solomon is as real as that one true religion is.

  16. Atheist MC Says:

    Sollie is here for one of a several potential reasons.
    1) he is sincere in his desire to lead us back to some god or other. But this is belied by his refusal to tell us which one

    2) he has sincere doubts about his own theology and is testing those doubts. In which case he is taking away the argument and processing it in some way not obviously apparent

    3) he enjoys being a dick

    I genuinely hope it is not #3

  17. Dan Says:

    It might not be only #3, but it is definitely #3 at least in part.