8th November 2011

“A friend of mine used to work in an abortion clinic; she remembers it was a terrifying place, because she had to work behind bullet-proof glass. Funny, but that doesn't seem very pro-life to me.”

Bryony Gordon

10 Responses to “8th November 2011”

  1. jezebel Says:

    That’s to stop all the good christian people and those who are against killing and violence from bombing the premises or murdering the workers.

  2. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    Killing in the name of god? No mercy for mankind from the religous. Nope, if you are born unwanted, born to an addict, born to any manner of unfortunate circumstance there will be no mercy for you. You must be forced into a life of desparation, despair, hatred and violence.

    Too bad for you, there is no mercy from the faithful. Only some dutiful misrepresentation of god’s word that says “we need more unwanted children in this world”.

    As an atheist it is easy for me to embrace mercy, and as a Republican too. As I am not a religious person though it remains impossible for me to understand why the faithful need to subject masses of children to lives of despair.

    I also can’t reconcile support for the death penalty, no mercy for the criminally insane, and no mercy for the unwanted, those who are innocent and undeserving of a rotten life. At least the religious are consistent in thier lack of mercy. Only somehow it seems at odds with so much of their teachings.

  3. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    Who does history record the following attributes to:

    1. Were born of virgins on December 25
    2. Taught in a temple as a child at age 12
    3. Were teachers who had 12 Disciples
    4. Were baptized in a river
    5. Gave a sermon on the mount
    6. Healed the sick
    7. Raised men from the dead (El-Asar-Us for Horus, Lazarus for Jesus)
    8. Died by crucifixion
    9. Were resurrected three days later.

    A) the Christian god Jesus of Nazareth
    B) the Egyptian god Horus
    C) both

  4. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    If you are standing firm on the idea that life can’t come from non-life then whatever you do don’t watch this video http://www.ted.com/talks/martin_hanczyc_the_line_between_life_and_not_life.html

  5. CaptainZero Says:

    You know? The same people that are so against terminating pregnancies also seem to be rabidly for the death penalty and against helping welfare mothers, which their “you must have the child” policies help to create. Also they oppose quality sexual education and contraception that DEMONSTRABLY, in more civilized places, makes accidental conception rare. Couldn’t they just TRY for a little logical consistency? If they really cared, there really are actions that make abortion rare.

  6. Jeff Says:

    Capt, when reason is replaced by faith, and evidence by a book written in the bronze age by nobody knows how many “prophets” and scribes (read – lazy SOB’s who find preaching for food so much easier than raising it), almost all of whom were eating different magic mushrooms to gain their “vision” of “God”, or depending upon their paranoid schizophrenic hallucinations to do so, for anyone to expect anything resembling consistency in their output is like giving a thousand apes a typewriter each and expecting them to produce the entire works of William Shakespeare in an hour. Sure, statistically it might work once in a million years, but d’ems ain’t odds on which I’m gonna bet my life. Yours maybe, but not mine, sir.

  7. reetBob Says:

    Sinjin, I too enjoy reading your carefully thought out words. However I would caution against convenient etymologies. I would have a quick read of this website, http://1peter315.wordpress.com/2008/04/17/the-raising-of-el-asar-us/

    To quote, ” Harpur is incorrect in claiming that the Hebrew el means “lord,” as it actually means “God.” The amount of linguistic gymnastics required to explain a story written in Greek by combining Hebrew, Egyptian and Latin languages into one name, clearly demonstrate the forced nature of this argument.”

    I’ve investigated other claims about similarities of the Jesus myth and other, earlier stories, and the convenient explanations fade under detailed study.

  8. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    Well reetBob I’m a bit of a fan of Joseph Campbell too, not just Gerald Massey. In fact of story telling in general. If we can leave the rules of evidence and scientific method on the back burner for a moment, and examine storytelling a bit:

    While Massey’s ideas may not be a scientific clear cut and definitive link between the stories of Christ and Horus his position isn’t exactly entirely invalid or even a significant departure from truth in the context of the biblical reputation for facts either.

    The nature of any oral history means the retellings, and translations, the different versions will have their problems. In turn, research on these histories will have to depend upon opinion as well. I don’t think Massey’s ideas are that great a stretch.

    Maybe we can’t know “exactly” what from what, but the Old and New Testaments and the Quran would seem to suffer far more from the problems of “convenient entymologies” given the regular rewrites that history is filled with.

    Horus, as you note, would not be the only literary character to predate Christ and also share attributes with Christ. That simply speaks to a truth self evident.

    Heck many Jewish scholars simply believe the Jesus story is a rip off of the Moses story.

    I don’t know of any credible theologian that believes the Christ story is an entirely original history. I’d be interested to read anything you might offer which refutes that.

  9. reetBob Says:

    Sinjin, I didn’t state a position. I have nowhere near enough knowledge to form my own distinct opinion about the historicity of Jesus. Beyond believing that it’s probably myth – there is an overwhelming lack of contemporary evidence for any claims – I certainly didn’t mean to imply that the Jesus story is entirely original.

    I often see glib claims about similarities between the Jesus myth and other stories, often made by strident, narcissistic ‘new atheist’ devotees. You are not one of these.

    It was the first time I had seen your claim made and after briefly researching I found and shared the article.

    In no way was it a personal attack.

  10. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    No worries reetBob. My apologies if I came off as upset, I was not. Quite the contrary I was intrigued.

    I too have seen the “glib claims” and I now presume you were talking about claims made by “no-nothing new atheists” and not of Gerald Massey: Who is criticized with academic circles for his Horus Christ similarities. Massey was a well respected academic but not without his criticisms, who is?

    In taking what you were saying as quite literal I apparently have over shot the target. I apologize for letting my default “taking it too seriously” dispostition get the better of me.

    I made more of “convenient etymologies” and “investigated other claims” than you were intending.

    Honestly I was appreciating what you had contributed and within introspection responding to what I perceived a gap in what you were saying.

    In light of your last, of course you are correct.