17th November 2011

“In the long run, nothing can withstand reason and experience, and the contradiction religion offers to both is palpable.”

Sigmund Freud1856 – 1939

7 Responses to “17th November 2011”

  1. John Says:

    I live in the cult/church run state of Utah and it never sises to amaze me just how strong the idiot factor can be here… However when you look under the surface and meet and know the folks, you discover are different levels of lost fools. You have a lot of the adults suffering from and show the wounds of their childhood indoctrination that is had to recover from. Then there are the ones that just go through the motions and practice “do as we say not as we do” However, I feel most sorry for the ones that never are able to escape the cult and run around basically ruining all the lives they infect.

  2. R J Says:

    hi little pals. i just saw a movie called ”red state.”

    it contains a pretty accurate potrayal of a religious cult, and i thought

    you guys might like to take a look. be aware…..it is graphically violent,.

    and depressing…….but the acting and writing are great.

    today’s quote is sooooooo right, too.

  3. Scarlett Says:

    “In the long run, nothing can withstand reason and experience” … I would suggest that religion has had quite a long run and unfortunately despite contradicting reason and experience, seems to be withstanding it quite successfully.

  4. electrabotanical Says:

    But I’d say religion is losing ground in many ways, so perhaps reason and logic just needs to get a little more momentum, like the recent billboards.


    Some people live such sheltered lives of religious indoctrination that they need a public sign that not all people beleive. That Jeebus might be a myth like the rest…

  5. Jeff Says:

    While religion is losing ground in some places, it seems to be holding on and even gaining ground in others.

    Something I heard this morning on Morning Joe (MSNBC – Unpaid endorsement, LOL) scared the crap out of me (which was good, as I’ve been a bit on the tight side lately…) More or less quoting, the central assumption of diplomacy is that all governments are rational actors. Think about the baseline false premise of that statement! All governments are made up of human beings, whom we know to be rationalizing actors, not rational ones. If all the inputs into a system are based upon rationalizations, how can we possibly expect the outputs to be rational?

    Could that simple fact be why religion has held on for so long in the face of all evidence to the contrary?

  6. electrabotanical Says:

    John, thanks for your assesment of Utah. I’ve always suspected as much, and it’s gratifying to hear that it’s kinda obvious to outside (non-Mormon) observers. How do you feel about the possibility of a President Romney? What about Huntsman? Not that Huntsman has a chance with his poll numbers so low. But I’m interested in him as a moderate and an inactive Mormon (from what I understand). We could use a guy who gave up on religious nonsense.

  7. R j Says:

    scarlett at 1055………….

    scarlett, you’re correct , of course. religions have been

    holding their own against reason and experience

    (( read scientific method )) for centuries. buit i think

    this is one of those debates you might classify as

    “depends who’s asking-depends who’s answering .”

    is light composed of paricles or is it composed of

    waves ? the physicists tell us it can be BOTH. in

    other words, if you ask a particle question about

    light, you get a particle answer. if you ask a wave

    question about light, you get a wave answer. i

    sometimes think this sort of debate goes on with the

    atheists and the religionistas. each belief is centered

    around certain bodies of information……and from that

    information each group draws its conclusions, AND

    its emotional reactions. but, lotsa the time, it winds

    up with the convinced convincing the convinced on

    their OWN side……….I.E. no relevant exchange of


    MOST of the folks who visit this site , are, for

    lotsa reasons, pretty solidly convinced that gods

    simply dont exist……………and are willing to

    share and declare with anybody……and DO !!!

    however, at least in my experience, i find the

    religionistas WILL share, but if you dont buy

    their stories , you are either

    shown pity

    written off as a crackpot

    or sometimes killed……by them or God !! Yikes !!

    personally, i’m sure the world would be better off

    without religion, and, i guess that as long as i’m

    able, i’m going to promote that idea……whether

    it is “withstood” or not.