23rd December 2011

“The practice of religion may contribute less to pro-sociality per se and more to group commitment, which all too often goes together with powerful ethnic, nationalistic and political identities. This, as history and contemporary events constantly remind us, is not always such a great thing.”

Dan Jones

11 Responses to “23rd December 2011”

  1. archaeopteryx Says:

    Is he saying that behaviours that divide people often cause problems? If so, d’oh.

  2. Reason Says:

    He should have said, “In the past, wars have been fought over ethnicity, nationality, and politics. Oh, and also (dun dun dun) RELIGION. Wars are bad.” *wild applause*

    Although, I’m not so sure I agree with his addition of politics. We might be divided on political thought, but at least there is some rhetoric behind it.

  3. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    For the complete article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2009/apr/22/religion-evolution

    I don’t agree with this “toleration mindeset”. Maybe for some that translates into “he’s a militant atheist” but I don’t have any of the trapping of a militant. I have no weapons, no military garb, no protest banners, I’m not protesting or even making anything more than a few comments here on this site in opposition to religion.

    For me, at the end of the discussions, we aren’t talking about something rational, something that really has redeeming qualities. Religion isn’t advancing humanity, it is retarding it.

    I get annoyed when people apologise for religion, for when they say things like “I’d hate to think of a world without religion”, when they enable madness with excuses for psychopaths and sociopaths.

    Religion has more to do with controlling people than anything else. The divide between the ignorant person of faith and the intellectual theologian, skeptical to say the least, is all the evidence a sane person needs to reject religion without any further consideration.

    The righful place for religion in modern society is within the museums, it is a matter for anthropologists and archeologists, and people who study ancient history.

    What is needed by modern man of religion is the lessons learned about the development of humankind, alongside the wheel, the arrowhead, Stonehenge, the pyramids, et cetera.

    The time has come for humanity to reject religion. Just as we have rejected headhunting, genocide, rape, murder, and all the horrific behaviors that religion facilitates.

    Remember we have:
    5% of the worlds population here in the US
    20% of the world’s prison population here in the US

    and that 99% of our prison population are by their own admission people of faith.

    No morality argument can stand the test of logic in the face of this simple fact.

    Religion is the “licence” people use to create the necessary space in their thinking for criminal behavior. The reliance on “holy forgivness” is implied and as such used and abused.

    There should be no license for criminal behavior, for hatred, for contempt, and religion is precisely that a license.

  4. Data Says:

    Hey, this is my first time commenting on this site, but I’ve been following the comments for awhile. I am an atheist, and unlike many, have been all my life because that’s how I was raised. I have fluctuated between loving the militant atheist movement and thinking it is a little much. Now, however, I think militant atheism is the only kind of atheism. There are no “fundamentalist atheists”, only frustrated ones.

    Why should I not be able to say “Hi, nice to meet you, I don’t believe in your god” and instead have to silently resist? Many Christians (at least the ones I know) are guilty of submitting “church” and “god” into every conversation, but saying anything about atheism is politically incorrect. This is wrong.

    Religion is irrational and dangerous, and I’m at a loss to why it still exists. There is so much damning (pardon the irony) evidence against the specific ideas of all religions; what else do we have to do to prove that they’re wrong?

  5. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    Good point Data! At its core religion, religious people, know that ubiquity is central to the church’s existence. Heck every marketer knows this too; Budweiser, McDonalds, Amazon, Kleenex, Crescent (as in the wrench).

    For religion that means saying “bless you” after a sneeze, hijacking language like marriage, worship, sanctuary, promises of prayers for misfortune, presence at public ceremony.

    The church didn’t sanctify marriage until the 16th century but for all of the bluster regarding same sex marriage you’d have thought religion created the word. Fact is it is latin in origin, and was a blessing from the god of love for success in pregnancy.

    Just as you reach for a facial tissue but think of grabbing a Kleenex religion wants to permeate your every thought.

    Get them while they are young, in their formative years before they know real from unreal, saturate them in nonsense and then when they have there moments of doubts as they inevitably do, they will cling to you and your nonsense like the frightened no-nothings they have been groomed to be.

    Like you Data I was fortunate to have been reared as a freethinker, unbound by the supernatural teachings of madmen. The confines of a religous education are the cave in Plato’s Allegory of the Cave.

    We have this person that writes here about his religious worldview, he can’t understand that such a worldview cannot exist. That any person;s worldview takes into account so much more than religion can contain. That so many non-religious things exists and exist apart from any religious association.

    That viewing the world and life with all its variety of experience through a tiny keyhole of religion would simply be impossible. One would have to ignore their experiences with the weather and climate (religion doesn’t speak to this), they would have to forgo having a favorite color, a preference for automobiles, or vacations, skip out of going to the ball game, and basically live cloisterd in a church, face in a book, dark, quiet, and terrified.

    Please write more Data, welcome!

  6. R J Says:


    very, very nice !!

    first time up to bat, and you hit a HOME RUN !!!!!

    i’m with sinjin……….please write more

  7. n0m0l0s Says:


    Yolu have been swayed from the true path…
    Don’t regret when the time comes to enter (((HELL)))

  8. n0m0l0s Says:

    Yolu should be you.

  9. Dan Says:

    It looks like our resident lunatic agrees – Data is a winner! 🙂

  10. Data Says:

    Thanks for the welcome! Well, all except you n0m0l0s. It seems rather harsh (and irrational), to judge someone and say that they’re an evil person or a sinner (theoretically) solely because your beliefs differ from theirs. Just saying.

  11. n0m0l0s Says:


    I’am not just saying. I’am telling the truth, and nothing but the truth, even though it seems harsh and not pleasing to ones mind.