21st June 2012

“It is hard to imagine a political talk show without a self-appointed moral arbiter bemoaning the lack of family values in America. But, do let's try.”

Kathleen Parker

8 Responses to “21st June 2012”

  1. Kittie Aldakkour Says:

    I like Charles Krauthammer

  2. Capt'Z Says:

    Original context:


    This was back on 2009. I think Ms. Parker was somewhat premature in predicting the demise of the religious right as a political force.

  3. Xhim Says:

    Thanks, Capt’Z, for the link. While I don’t really want to ignore politics, we religionistas have made a huge mistake by allowing politics to become what define us. I don’t really want to give up a place at the table, but we may be forced to – and then discover that it does us good!
    But, yes, it will be a while. Ms. Parker was indeed a little premature.
    BTW, have you ever read anything of Tony Campolo’s? He’s one of “us” who happens to be a card-carrying Democrat, chummy with Bill Clinton, etc. I disagree with him occasionally, but his alternative approach to politics is refreshing. At least for me as a religionista.

  4. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    It is typical, the political talk show, where some dude rambles on about 80 to 85% on stuff you agree with, then 15 to 20% that you think is crazy but he’s playing to be your guy so you.dismiss the nutty stuff.

    At some point you have to admit Rush is crazy, or that Franken is out of his mind, but it will be met with some disapproval from your friends.

    Then American values! Talk about something subjective, something relative to an jndividual and at a specific moment,

  5. Dan Says:

    Indeed, any mention of a monolithic set of “American values” should be a red flag that the speaker is full of BS. The US is a pluralistic society, despite frequent assertions to the contrary by various political commentators.

  6. r j Says:

    thank you dan

  7. Capt'Z Says:

    You know Xhim, I think it’s not unusual for a religionista to also be a progressive. Some of the best are. They happen to be the ones that actually take Jesus’ teachings seriously. You know, the bits about charity, modesty, good works. The conservative Christians, on the other hand, seem to me to pretend that there’s no Jesus in the bible. All that prosperity gospel and mean spirited obsession with Leviticus and prurient interest in what other people are doing in their bedrooms. If Christians tried to be more like Christ I’d have a lot less reason to despise what they do.

    And while we’re on the topic, doesn’t it seem just a tad self serving when millionaire ministers rail on AGAINST social justice and progressive taxation? That’s why they call it a flock, I guess.

  8. Jeff Says:

    Family values in America:

    I know a family that consists of 5 adults and 3 children, living in side by side houses in a Cleveland suburb. 3 women, 2 men, a college age boy and 2 high school girls. One of the women is addressed as Mistress by all, the men and one of the other women wear nothing but their collars (and male chastity devices for the men) at home, and the other woman is allowed only a white silk robe at home. Except for Mistress, all the adults consider themselves slaves.

    Two of the children are either National Merit Scholars or Finalists, the youngest hasn’t taken the qualifying test yet. All are well adjusted and looking forward to going to college. They know that their parents are a bit different, but find their home life absolutely normal. Mistress is the unquestioned head (and owner) of the family, all the kids address all the adults as Mom and Dad, regardless of their birthing. In conventional terms, the slaves are two married couples.

    By all measures, they’ve raised good kids who will function well in our society. By those same measures, they’re some of the most kinked folks in America. Judge them? Not me, sir. I’m not sure Solomon would have any idea of what to make of them. But I know that I’m glad I’m welcome in their homes. Good people, one and all. And that’s the only American family value that I’ve ever recognized.