17th August 2012

“Christian apologists ignore the evidence and make up facts to suit their own prejudices. That's the way faith operates, and that's why it must not be accommodated.”

Victor Stenger

8 Responses to “17th August 2012”

  1. R J Says:

    second that

  2. Panzerbjørn Says:


    I’ll get my coat…

  3. Kittie Aldakkour Says:

    They ignore the lack of evidence more…

  4. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    That and the propensity for pedophilia. I’m not sure why clergy people hunger for the loins of young boys, must be some mental disorder. Then the whole sociopathic religion thing is an odd coverup. I guess if you are going to fool people it is best to be completely outlandish,

  5. Jeff Says:


    At the risk of provoking another flame throwing session, I will shamelessly steal from Queen Gertrude. The gentleman doth protest to much, methinks.

    Pedophilia itself is (despite the Greek derivation) a diagnosis from late 19th century Victorian physicians. As was homosexuality and several other illnesses which were defined by their deviation from the Victorian ideal of behavior. I think you can see where I’m going with this, but I need to point out that defining people by their propensity for behavior which violates stated Victorian norms does not have, how shall I put it, a very useful history. In fact, many of the “advanced attitudes” of that age have proved to be quite harmful for society as we’ve become more advanced.

    So, without advocating for their behavior, I would also point out that reasonable people can disagree as to whether or not the damage done by such is due to the behavior itself or the approbation attached to it. The problem, of course, is that with the currently fashionable horror of the behavior, that single question is not considered a proper subject for research.

  6. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    Love it Jeff! And yes I protest too much!

    Is the behavior we are talking about pedophilia or is it the behavior of being a priest that is what we are talking about?

    When will the rape of children become a norm?

    Not a call to research, but perhaps it is time to call a spade a spade, to realize that if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck…it’s a duck.

    Is there room at the table for those that take their guidance from an old white guy in the clouds who tosses lightening bolts when angry or can these folks be relegated to the ash heap? Is their contribution relevant?

    I just find I’ve lost some level of tolerance, the credibility problems, the scandals, the lies. I find I have no space left to consider religious possibility in the midst of investigations, convictions, cover ups, so I have taken to dismissing the whole thing out of hand. I realize that may left no space for me at certain tables, but I don’t want to be there anyway.

  7. Jeff Says:

    My comments were confined to the area of pedophilia, not the priest’s other anti-social behavior. The problem with your second comment is the part about “rape of children”, which is a part of the problem that I identified in my last paragraph.

    Whether a priest or minister is a pedophile or not is immaterial, it is their primary behavior, not that secondary characteristic, which is the problem for society.

  8. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    And of course, religion too, a problem for society.