6th December 2012

“How much critical analysis does a child do when accepting Jesus at their parents' urging? From childhood we are indoctrinated. When we start to question Santa and God, our parents come clean about Santa but not God.”

Dave Bruemmer

11 Responses to “6th December 2012”

  1. The Heretic Says:

    They know that Santa is fictional. But, they too, were indoctrinated from birth to believe in a deity.

    I believe that a parent has the right to rear his child (read: indoctrinate) any way that parent sees fit. It is, afterall, their child. But……..and there is a but, I believe that schools (public) should be indifferent to religion (not against), and I believe that if a parent wishes a parochial school, that should be their choice.

    Attaining 18, all bets are off. This is a crappy road to hoe for atheists. I get it. But, it is not our right to take the rights of parent’s away. Our right is the right of continuing education.

  2. The Heretic Says:

    I apoligize – my post was slightly erratic.

  3. Bruce Williams Says:

    The Jesuits said, “Give me a child until he is seven and I will give you the man.” If religious education were postponed until age 12, we would see a dramatic reduction in religion and consequently, in wars.

  4. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    Heretic I wonder what you think about the people of faith who pressure local schools to not teach that evolutionary biology and Darwinism isn’t theoretical fact about how human’s came into being? (Scientifically speaking theory is accepted as fact, and Creationism is hypothesis)

    That the answer to the question “which is correct evolution or creation?” can’t be “science tells us evolution” in the public schools and then leave the child to seek any alternative explanation from their clergy and church, or any other group: Perhaps alienist, or unicornists, Spagheti Monsterist.

    That if the child is presented with each perspective cleanly within its own forum that leaving each to its own doesn’t serve both best?

  5. The Heretic Says:

    Evolution should be taught in schools. Nothing else. Any other form of creationism belongs in a church or synigogue. Period.

  6. Jeff Says:


    I understand your laissez faire attitude towards parents raising their children, but I believe that this is quickly becoming a question of survival – not of America, but of humanity.

    Let me suggest an older book (probably out of print, but you may be able to find a copy somewhere) entitled “The Past Through Tomorrow” by Robert A Heinlein. It is the collection of his “Future History” stories, all science fiction, of course. Add into his mix of influences, a collection quite nasty from the mid 20th century, the concept of climate change, and you’ll see what I mean.

    Happy reading.

  7. Jeff Says:

    BTW and a bit off topic – I just saw the fastest way to teach relativity ever, and it comes from Mr. E himself:

    Put your hand on a hot stove for a minute, and it seems like an hour. Sit with a pretty girl for an hour, and it seems like a minute. That’s relativity.

  8. WPJ-Bill Jacobus Says:

    To all parties, including Santa: I feel that we have forgotten the fundamental characteristic that defines us as “Human”: the ability to be rational and critically analyize objectively and to apply ethics to that situation. Other animals do not practice these traits: they survive. We should be spending our time analyzing the theories regarding the theories regarding supernatural powers who interact on the planet or debating the definition of good and bad. I happen to feel that Santa is good and thereby justified this time of year, although I do believe with Broemmer is a product of indoctrination. What the heck, openly do not tell the truth to your kid, just be open about the practice! May all have fun and respond to this approach.

  9. The Heretic Says:

    Jeff – I have owned that book forever.

    However, I disagree that allowing parents to actually raise their children, as opposed to others doing it, threatens the survival of this planet. Stupid people will perhaps threaten humanity, but not parents. You may not agree with how they raise their children, but you don’t have to. And you have no right to interfere (unless physical harm is taking place.)

  10. reetBob Says:

    The Heretic, I know you’re playing devil’s advocate, but how about psychological harm?

  11. Kittie Says:

    I would support a “world religions” class where they covered all the majors and as many minors as they could from an exploratory and fact basis. Time lines and rules of the faith etc. But not anywhere near a science class.