28th January 2013

“Science provides tangible evidence of its accuracy and importance. Religion makes excuses for its absence of the same. There is no 'rich tradition of rigorous inquiry' in religion, as we can see from its lack of progress, and the apologists are deluding themselves when they claim there is.”

P. Z. Myers

12 Responses to “28th January 2013”

  1. Bruce Williams Says:

    “Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings.” Victor Stenger

  2. R J Says:

    BRUCE W.

    that was a perfect, PERFECT responce to the the quote.

    beautiful……just beautiful !


  3. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    Since I was a young child I have always thought religious people were lunatics, or at least stupid to believe such obvious nonsense.

    I need proof: I remember my parents telling me Santa was going to come down the chimney and deliver toys, so I snuck out of my room to the top of the stairs to watch. The only thing I ever saw was my parents milling about.

    I had a religious expert: I remember talking about religion with my very religious grandmother, I’d stay at her house for the weekends. We talked about a lot of things, but when it came to religion she always became frustrated when I’d talk about god being nonsense.

    Nature: I’m convinced that I was born an atheist, but I’ve learned that everyone is. That it takes some really sick and twisted brainwashing to upset the natural order of man.

    For me the real question has alway been why. Before anyone would respond “power” or “control” or some other authority variant, why would you want to hold dominion over another? Why would you want to infringe upon the rights of another? You have one life to live, why would you want to live it playing out some weird, human sized, game of The Sims? The childlike amazement of directing the movements of mindliess automatons, that is what you enjoy, or what makes your life enjoyable? Can people really be so unsophisticated as to construct reasons to manipulate the lives of others?

    I’m thinking of the Christian apologist William Lane Craig. What is that guys life like? In the last fleeting moments of his wasted life is the realization that Pascal’s wager has an inverse, and that inverse is a bottomless regretful fall into death.

  4. Jeff Says:

    Bruce & RJ

    While it is a perfect response, Mr. Stenger is quite incorrect. Science both flew to the moon, and into the buildings – it was just the motivation that religion supplied in the second case. The Wrights and all of those aviation engineers who followed that provided the means for both acts.

    That is the essential problem, that all religion is good for is providing motivation for actions, both good and evil. It is the unmitigated evil of actions such as flying planes into buildings that must be eliminated, and the only ways in which to do so are:
    1) To get rid of the religions which motivate such atrocities.
    2) To get rid of the means.

    Flying is far too useful to consider getting rid of it.

  5. R J Says:

    JEFF……at 1856

    of course you’re right….and you bring the statement into a

    sharper analytical focus…and your conclusion is solid.

    it’s always humans that can twist potential good into

    real evil…….AND BELIEVE they are JUSTIFIED in doing so.

    sickening to me.

    and being a confirmed pessimist, i offer point

    3) get rid of the worshippers

  6. Sinjin Smythe Says:

    Imagine breeding for traits in humans as we do in plants and animals. Dangerous or hostile people would be put down and useful helpful contributors would be free to live as they wanted.

  7. R J Says:

    SINJIN at 2232

    not to be a wet blanket, but you KNOW that idea is

    improbable at best.

    too many variables affect brain development in early childhood….

    and even beyond then, minds can turn corners for a myriad of reasons.

    still, we have the capacity to imagine various kinds of utopian

    perfection…..but even THOSE imaginings are compromised

    by the deepest (( unspoken )) longings within ourselves.

    if only…..if only…..

  8. R J Says:


    let me add just a bit more……….

    i think that nothing is accomplished by humans without

    three key mental elements….

    1) DESIRE (( in whatever form ))


    2) WILLINGNESS TO DEAL WITH CONFLICT…..((internal-external))


    3) acceptance of PERFECTION as unattainable.

    just thought i’d mention it to you in hopes of a little feedback…..


  9. Bruce Williams Says:

    Jeff, Planes don’t kill, people do. But planes and guns enable killers. I pray (only kidding) that we will ban assault weapons and large-capacity magazines. Just hadta get that in.

  10. R J Says:


    if you think banning things stems the flow of that


    then your view is unrealistic.

    bans mean nothing.

    think softly about prohibition.

  11. R J Says:


    correction at 2013

    post was meant for BRUCE not jeff….my bad

  12. Bruce Williams Says:

    Guns don’t kill, they enable killers.