25th August 2009

“My rejection of Christianity was due to my weighing up of the facts and deciding that the evidence did not adequately support the extraordinary claims made. My arguments in favour of disbelief don't come from a sense of intellectual superiority but rather from my own experiences as a Christian, beginning when I first found out that the four Gospels were written anonymously many decades after the events they describe. And in all likelihood the authors were not Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and were indeed almost certainly not, and never claim to be, eye-witnesses to the life of the historical Jesus (a detail understandably not publicised by mainstream Christianity).”

Ciaran O'Ceallaigh

9 Responses to “25th August 2009”

  1. Oxymoronic Christhinker Says:

    No pressing objections to O’Ceallaigh’s rejection of Christianity or how he got there. An understanding of “Jesus of Nazareth” is more important (and, yes, this is possible, in principle) than any doctrines and dogmas asserted by the Church concerning “Jesus the Christ.” I would only say that mainstream Christianity is making a more honest attempt to publicize the results of 2000+ years of biblical studies. The fundamentalist/literalist side of the family? Not so much . . .

    Chris, concerning “the Hitchens debate” (I actually wish you could have been there!):

    Tell me why, when Hitchens and other “New Atheists” attack belief they insist on absolute, undeniable, and provable facts as their supporters egg them on, but when their own facts can be shown to be far less than adequate or contradictory or ignorant they are immediately excused (“. . . I don’t know but. . .”) by those very same supporters?

    Tony, concerning tax-exempt status for the Church (and any religious organization I presume):

    I agree. . Personally, I think, perhaps paradoxically, that paying taxes like everyone else would actually benefit The Church. I have taken some heat for suggesting this in certain church groups I attend. My only concern might be that The Church might expect even more of a say than it already exercises if it were “forced’ to pay taxes. Your take on this?

  2. Chris Says:

    Oxy – I’m under no obligation to defend a poor argument. But the reason for the seeming asymmetry is pretty simple – we’re not the ones making the claim. When one claims that there is a plesiosaur in Loch Ness, The anessies are under no obligation to prove it doesn’t exist. So yeah, a claim as big as GOD requires big big proof and explanation.

  3. Greg Says:

    Oxy wrote: ” but when their [New Atheists] own facts can be shown to be far less than adequate or contradictory or ignorant”

    Can you share with us which facts you’re referring to?

  4. Hypatia Says:

    Yes Oxy, all this unsubstantiated defamation is getting boring. Are you just trying us wind us up?

    If you’ve got an axe to grind with atheism’s leading lights, put the facts on the table.

  5. Tony Provenzano Says:

    Ciaran and I reached our convictions in a similar manner.

    Oxy- pertaining to taxing ideas; I’ll share a few:

    Keep in mind the U.S. enormously taxes things like alcohol, cigarettes, and other things considered a detriment to society.

    Religious jewelry and crosses sold. 10% of sale
    Blessing people after a sneeze. 10 cents
    Advertisements on coinage. 5 cents per coin (1 cent per penny)
    Prayers in school. 25 cents per minute
    Posting on websites, religious comments that are too long for anyone to want to read. 20 dollars per occurance

    I do like most of your posts, I’ll see if we can get you in on the discount plan. 🙂 Having too much fun, gotta go. 🙂

  6. The Heretic Says:

    Nicely put Hypatia.

  7. Oxymoronic Christhinker Says:

    The facts are ignored so why bother . . . sorry for wasting your time . . .

  8. Hypatia Says:

    Which facts?

    A fact is a pretty solid thing, and something no atheist would ever ignore.

  9. Greg Says:

    The facts are ignored, Oxy?

    Well, I guess you would know. After all, your rejection of the facts (and just plain common sense) allows you the opportunity to believe in such nonsense as the virgin birth and resurrection.

    Maybe in the future you’ll stop making such bold statements without being able to back them up.