26th August 2009

“Many things bothered me about the stories of Jesus, because the four Gospels didn't exactly compare and that became a problem for me, because if they were all divinely inspired by The Son of God, they would all be identical, and totally truthful. But they weren't identical – or, as it turns out, truthful. Some stories didn't match, some things simply didn't make sense. They were 'non-sequiturs' – quotations out of context. Questions that were answered with answers that didn't fit the questions – but fit the Christian doctrine.”

Dirk Vanden

7 Responses to “26th August 2009”

  1. Chris Says:

    It was the bible that caused me to lose the faith I was indoctrinated into as a child. I couldn’t square the idea of a “just god” with the obscene violence of it. I couldn’t square the circle that loads of good people I knew were damned for ignorance of the “true” faith or because they were partial to their own competing doctrines. I learned it was all made up but frankly didn’t care much. It wasn’t until the rise of Christian fundamentalism in the U.S. that my apathetic agnosticism gave way to atheism.

    John Adams had it right – “This would be the best of all possible worlds were there no religion in it.”

  2. Oxymoronic Christhinker Says:

    Christian fundamentalists and literalists are a far bigger problem for Christianity and The Church than any atheist or secularist. And, yeah, okay, I’ll keep my posts shorter . . . it’s your site after all . . .

  3. Hypatia Says:

    Non-fundamentalist and non-literal Christians are a a far bigger problem for atheists because they change like a chameleon when challenged with errors and logical fallacies.

    The attitude seems to be “it doesn’t matter how inconsistent, derivative, erroneous or just plain daft our religion is we’ll still have faith – because we just do”.

    Faith in baloney is better than no faith – what a stupid and dangerous idea.

  4. Oxymoronic Christhinker Says:

    I can see how the non-literalists/fundamentalists might be a problem for you. Must be hard having to deal with the stupid and dangerous. If only they would realize how right you are!

  5. John Says:

    Truth always trumps… That’s why believers want non-believers put to death, chased out of town or systematically and institutionally marginalized!

  6. Chris Says:

    Stupid and dangerous? That’s PRECISELY what a particular legislator thinks of atheists:

    Ill. Rep. Monique Davis: I don’t know what you have against God, but some of us don’t have much against him. We look forward to him and his blessings. And it’s really a tragedy — it’s tragic — when a person who is engaged in anything related to God, they want to fight. They want to fight prayer in school.

    I don’t see you (Sherman) fighting guns in school. You know?

    I’m trying to understand the philosophy that you want to spread in the state of Illinois. This is the Land of Lincoln. This is the Land of Lincoln where people believe in God, where people believe in protecting their children.… What you have to spew and spread is extremely dangerous, it’s dangerous–

    Sherman: What’s dangerous, ma’am?

    Davis: It’s dangerous to the progression of this state. And it’s dangerous for our children to even know that your philosophy exists! Now you will go to court to fight kids to have the opportunity to be quiet for a minute. But damn if you’ll go to [court] to fight for them to keep guns out of their hands. I am fed up! Get out of that seat!

    And lest you think Davis is out of the mainstream, here is what President George HW Bush said about atheists –

    Sherman: What will you do to win the votes of the Americans who are atheists?

    Bush: I guess I’m pretty weak in the atheist community. Faith in God is important to me.

    Sherman: Surely you recognize the equal citizenship and patriotism of Americans who are atheists?

    Bush: No, I don’t know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.

    Sherman (somewhat taken aback): Do you support as a sound constitutional principle the separation of state and church?

    Bush: Yes, I support the separation of church and state. I’m just not very high on atheists.

    Oxy – you think WE’RE the ones being antagonistic? I’m sure pre-civil rights whites (a similar majority to that of the religious) wished all the uppity blacks would be happy in the back of the bus. As a group, your coreligionists hate US even more than they hate homosexuals, and that’s saying something! Note: I accuse you personally of nothing.

    I don’t claim to be right, just utterly unconvinced by what passes for proof in the faith camp. Sorry for the long post.

  7. Hypatia Says:

    Oxy, it’s the ideas that I find stupid and dangerous. Not the people.

    Most of my folks are religious in this way. I don’t agree with them but I would never call them stupid.