8th March 2010

“Secularists have no objection to Roman Catholic homosexuals living celibate lives, their natural instincts held in abeyance by prayer and fasting according to the Church's teaching. But they object strongly to laws being passed by their parliaments which force secular gay men and women to live by those teachings.”

Emer O'Kelly

20 Responses to “8th March 2010”

  1. Holysmokes Says:

    As it should be. If memebersof the clergy want to torture themselves for life, then that is up to them. But when governments try to force it on people, a line should be drawn.

  2. CaptainZero1969 Says:

    Malcolm O’lay was rabidly gay
    but also he was Catholic,
    As such, he couldn’t sleep with men
    And his church considered him sick.

    But strong were poor O’lay’s desires
    that he lusted after boys,
    and finally found peace, as a Catholic priest,
    and its associated joys.

  3. Atheist MC Says:

    But they object strongly to laws being passed by their parliaments which force secular gay men and women to live by those teachings.

    Of course secularists object to any laws that that force them to live in accordance with religious doctorine. Personally I also object to caveats in legislation that allow religious organisations to flout antidiscrimination laws secular organisations must follow, e.g allowing the catholic church to discriminate against employing homosexuals or catholic adoption agencies discriminating against same sex couples.

  4. PEB Says:

    I’m with you AMC. Can you imagine a “Whites only” adoption agency or a company that refuses to hire Muslims? Of course not.
    It’s shameful they get away with it.

  5. John Says:

    BOULDER, Colo. — A preschooler is caught in the middle of a fight between religion and sexuality. Sacred Heart of Jesus Catholic School, in Boulder, has refused to readmit a preschooler because the child has two moms. Her parents are lesbians.


    Isn’t the love of jesus wonderful?

  6. Atheist MC Says:

    Sounds like the kid may have a lucky escape. Maybe there’s a good school nearby she can go to.

  7. steve Says:

    I am not sure that this can be addressed any better than Holysmokes did it, right at the top post.

    Of course Secularists have no objection to someone’s personal life. If you choose to change your personal activities because of superstition or belief, it is of no account so long as you leave the rest of us alone.

    That ‘Golden Rule’ keeps coming up.

    Which is where the laws come in. Whenever and wherever the religious try to extend their influence by way of law, I find it more than offensive. It is bad enough that they believe in unsupportable dogma, but to extend it to others ought to be made a crime.

    Now there is a thought. Make it against the law to spew superstition into law. Hmmm. Maybe a good 28th Amendment in the states!

  8. CaptainZero1969 Says:

    In the following U.S. states you may not hold political office if you are not a theist of some variety.

    South Carolina
    North Carolina

    So, you can be any number of evil things but as long as you believe in invisible men, you’re OK to serve. This comes directly, in my view, from the lie promulgated assiduously by very many theists that you cannot be moral if you don’t believe in an invisible celestial dictator for which there is no physical evidence except the testimony of credulous and self-interested desert dwelling primitives.

  9. John Says:


    Witness the “dooming” of christians. Free thinkers we may not have to do anything as the christians may be handicapping themselves into low skilled workers or maybe even creating a generation of new inquisitors. I my line of work I meet a lot of ex-home schooled staff and most if not all lack many social skills and even basic common sense.

    Sorry this is not in line with the quote today (sort of). It was too good not to relay.

  10. Holysmokes Says:

    John, you may be right about christians handicapping themselves, but
    I think the world should worry less about christian influence and be more concerned with muslim growth. Islam is the fastest growing religion and has already overtaken christianity in Europe according to Wikipedia. Now thee are some people who will make radical changes to laws, once they have the political might. Experts seem to think that their level of growth will actually increase in the coming years.

  11. John Says:

    Holysmokes: That is scary… Is that one of the why the US is over there fighting?

  12. steve Says:

    John – ‘fraid not. But we could hope… 😉 Just kidding.

    Last thing we need is a “holy war”.

    Best way to fight islam is education.

  13. steve Says:

    Roman Catholics may hide their proclivity
    behind dogmas and statuesque nativity
    But they can’t hide their ways
    Some are pedophiles – not gays.
    And we are all victims of naivety.

  14. tech Says:

    I’ll leave this quote for the gays to discuss,something of which I know very little about.

  15. steve Says:

    That has never stopped you before.

  16. steve Says:

    Damn. I might have just lost a bet.

  17. Holysmokes Says:

    Nope, its been over ten days ….bummer :o)

  18. Holysmokes Says:


    I do think that is one of the reasons the US is over there, although the government will never admit to such a thing. The truth is; there is only one major reason the US is in the middle East. That black stuff that we pump out of the ground.

    I don’t recall the US getting intimately involved in countless atrocities in Africa over the years. No oil. They were happy to let others take the lead in Bosnia. No oil. Ahhhh, but the middle East, well that’s another matter. I got stuck over there for the first gulf war, but managed to retire prior to the second one. Oil makes the world go around. Europe and the West will never allow a major disruption to occur, especially over infighting between muslim countries.

    I think protecting energy will surpass religions as the most common reason for humans to kill each other in the next 100 years.

  19. CaptainZero1969 Says:

    Holy – which is why I support all the alternatives to fossil fuel – starve the beast.

  20. Holysmokes Says:

    I agree.