19th October 2010

“Centuries ago, with no supporting evidence, the church invented limbo – a fantasy response to the artificial conundrum created by the presumption of original sin. For centuries, Catholics have argued and debated the issue ad nauseam, flip-flopping like a beached trout from one absurd judgment to another.”

John Bice

10 Responses to “19th October 2010”

  1. PEB Says:


    The section on the limbo of infants is particularly grim. Infants who die before being baptized are too young to have committed personal sins but are still cursed by a loving god for the original sin.
    They actually debate this rubbish and have been doing so for years.

  2. teddy Says:

    i think the key word in this quote is ” absurd “……………

    where you find religious thinking , you’ll ALWAYS find the absurd….

    loads of it !!!!

  3. Atheist MC Says:

    One day this whole edifice of apologetics will fall over. The more they try to defend the indefensible the more cumbersome and full of holes it becomes.

  4. Wat Duino Says:

    What really baffles me is the existence of the various Schools of Divinity. These programs are offered not by fringe element religious colleges, but by the big names: Harvard, Yale, etc. How can there possibly be a “Doctor of Divinity” degree?
    If this stuff was presented by another culture, it would be labeled witchcraft or voodoo, which it basically is. A degree in Religious History would be completely valid. But this other stuff that is simply made up, especially by Catholics, is utter nonsense. How can Original Sin, Purgatory, the Ascension, Immaculate Conception, etc., etc. possibly be topics of serious study? Absurd indeed!

  5. Doubting Thomas Says:

    I’ts seems very complicated – I thought you just spent eternity dancing under a pole.

  6. Mike G. Says:

    @ Doubting Thomas…

    I must be having a slow day. That took me awhile, but laughed none-the-less.

    Has the Catholic church not recently retracted its stance on the issue of limbo? I was under the impression that official doctrine now dismissed the notion of souls into limbo.

    How do I know? Because I went to church. (A mass for my deceased grandfather, I know.) I listened to 45 minutes of a priest dancing in circles about how to justify the dismissal of a seemingly important (in Catholic eyes) topic.

    So then I had a discussion with a very religious, yet progressive friend of mine and it went to the tune of me saying: “If they can so easily admit to lying about this HUGE part of the catechism, what makes you think that they aren’t just one step further on the heaven and hell thing.”

    Crickets were chirping restlessly in the background while she responded.

    Talk about and effing house of cards.!

  7. puff............... Says:

    oh, pooh ! religion is nothing but a big collection of lies anyway.

    who’s surprised ??

  8. CaptainZero Says:

    As you say Mike, limbo is now back to its original state: imaginary. Of course, that’s small comfort to the millions of distraught parents convinced of their children’s inability to get into a more preferable imaginary place.

  9. Atheist MC Says:

    Capn:Thats the beauty of atheism. In its simples incarnation WYDYD

  10. Atheist MC Says:

    Simples? All of a sudden I’m a meerkat lol