11th November 2010

“If Christian plutocrats poured money into Saudi Arabia to convert Muslims to Protestant fundamentalism, I think we would hear a good deal about it. However, as the public celebration of and proselytising for non-Muslim religions are illegal in Saudi Arabia, and a Muslim converting to another faith faces the death penalty, the opportunities for Europeans to do to Saudi Arabia what Saudis are doing to Europe are limited.”

Nick Cohen

8 Responses to “11th November 2010”

  1. Doubting Thomas Says:

    Please remember that it’s not just Europe that is suffering from this insidious Islamic cancer. Africa and the far East – Who economically are more vunerable are under attack. Shades of the 1930 Nazis and we know how that ended.

  2. Atheist MC Says:

    The catholics are targeting the third world just as much. Islam is just one face of the problem. It is religion in general I worry about.

  3. Wat Duino Says:

    The concept of organized religion may be the most corrosive element ever to face mankind… and yet it has been with us for all of recorded history. How can this be? Will we ever evolve beyond this?

  4. Socratic Method Man Says:

    Of course, this completely handwaves away hundreds of years of Western Christian interference in the Middle East, and the fact that Western corporate and military interests have done – and are still doing – their best to destabilize the region, leading to perfect circumstances for the rise of religious fundamentalism and emphasis on safety, loyalty, and tribalism over human rights, secularism, and opening the door for disaster capitalism.

    I mean, just look at what is happening in the States. It very easy to manipulate people who are scared and ignorant, and to marginalize anyone who tries to take a nuanced approach. George Bush Sr. declared that atheists could not be patriots and should not be considered citizens, and his son has decided that habeas corpus no longer applies to people who are not citizens. Where the hell is THAT going? America currently faces the possibility of having a new Republican chairman of the Congressional committee that deals with energy and its attendant environmental concerns who genuinely believes that climate change should not be a concern since God has already promised not to destroy the Earth.


    “The Earth will end only when God declares it’s time to be over. Man will not destroy this Earth. This Earth will not be destroyed by a Flood,” Shimkus asserted. “I do believe that God’s word is infallible, unchanging, perfect.”

    This man holds public office in a country that has telescopes and a map of the human genome. It’s beyond comprehension – unless, of course, you are an Islam-Othering brickwit who lacks the ability for cultural introspection, in which case you gleefully point out every flaw in Islam as though it’s somehow unique to the belief structure.

    Does this sound much more reasonable than your so-called “insidious Islamic cancer”? The world had – and still has – relatively moderate Muslims (I say ‘relative’ because there’s only so moderate you can be when you’re basing your life around a bunch of superstitious Ibrahimic nonsense – yes, Jews and Christians, I am looking at you, as well) but they have been assassinated, ousted, murdered, warred upon, persecuted, and removed from office by fair means and foul with the full cooperation and connivance of Western Christians, and now we have the Islamic enemy we bought and paid for.

    If you’re going to point fingers, you better start with the unwashed Christian hordes who descended upon Jerusalem and “delivered” it from knowledge, art, scientific advance, secular tolerance, and interdenominational truce, and then continued for hundreds of years to blame and slaughter Jews and Muslims and then pretending our current reactive xenophobia and Islam-shaming is somehow generous to a fault because we’re not actually mobbing them to death in the streets anymore.

  5. The Heretic Says:

    No – keep your fingers pointed at Islam. Christians are not the ones flying planes into buildings, strapping bombs on their chests and showing up at weddings, or trying to get their dirty little hands on a nuclear bomb to wipe out whatever “Great Satan” that is irritating them at the moment.

    You might not like Christians, but you can criticize them without being targeted for death for it.

    Western culture, enlightenment, and tolerance sprang from Christian nations. OK – so there are still remnants of Christianity in the West. So what? They are slowly fading. Let’s not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Many of their tenets of civilized society should be embraced. You might not agree with all of the 10 Commandments, but #s 5 – 10 are a good way to keep society running smoothly.

    I see nothing civilized in the Middle East, nor any of the areas that they have infected. They are backward savages that have not progressed their thought into the 21st century. Their views on women and religion are untennable in the West. They are beyond dangerous due to their two dimensional thinking. They need to be contained and defeated.

  6. GreatEighthSin Says:

    Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater, yet point and target every Muslim? Someone needs to learn the concept of compassion, and the concept of not letting the one rotten apple spoil the whole bunch. It’s seems to be that the monarchy ruled Islamic nations are the ones suffering, while the democratic ones thrive and flourish, and are even near obtaining standard human rights.

    Some fun facts. American Christians, Jews, agnostics, and atheists were not the only ones to parish in the 9/11 attacks. Over 30 American Muslims were killed in the falling of the towers, and even one woman was a victim aboard one of the planes.

    It’s not the moderate Muslims that need to be targeted, it is the extremists. The extremists are so bold that they even mercilessly kill their own, and then ask them to join their army. They target anyone that thinks differently than them, and their only goal is to dominate the world with a closed fist.

    “You might not like Christians, but you can criticize them without being targeted for death for it. ” – This is horrendously false. Atheists are targeted every day by Christians. I receive at least one death threat from a Christian every other week. Why? Because I’m “a devil worshiper” or “the anti-Christ”. I am also instantly labeled “gay” at times and then spammed Leviticus, then told I should die. Why? Falsely, and wrathfully, instilled stereotypes.

    Religion is twisted. It always has been, and always will be. You can’t murder someone or you’ll be sent to Hell. Yet, if God tells you to murder someone, you’re automatically scott-free in His eyes. Theft? It’s fine if you’re stealing for God since God owns everything. Religion has been nothing but a tool for people to do despicable things, yet some how get some form of self-righteous pardon out of it. This proves itself time, and time, and time again, and this vicious cycle will not end until people wake up and realize that religion is nothing more than social control.

  7. reetBob Says:

    As The Heretic says, western civilization is has developed and is just that, civilized. We secularists have values that most Christians, here in the UK at least, would promote and claim as their own.

    Saudi-centric Islam is barbaric. Its ideals are totally opposed to mine.

    It’s easy to claim that hating Islam is easy, but justifying that hatred with a robust, nuanced approach is not.

  8. The Heretic Says:

    –“You might not like Christians, but you can criticize them without being targeted for death for it. ” – This is horrendously false. Atheists are targeted every day by Christians. —

    Really? When was the last time a Christian put an apostate to death? Or stoned a woman to death for being raped and therefore committing adultery? When the last time that a Christian town council gang-raped a young girl because her brother was seen holding someone’s hand that he was not married to?

    You may not like Christians and they may not like you – but they don’t go around brutaly raping and murdering people, thinking that it is socially acceptable.

    All religions may be dreadful, and I would certainly put Christianity from the past on par with today’s Islam. But I would not equate modern Christianity with Islam. Relativism in this area is too myopic.