26th April 2010

“The burqa is not a religious sign, it is a sign of subservience, a sign of debasement… in our country we cannot accept that women be prisoners behind a screen, cut off from all social life, deprived of all identity.”

Nicholas Sarkozy

37 Responses to “26th April 2010”

  1. The Heretic Says:

    I hope that more country leaders say the same. I understand that Britain is seeing more burkas lately. I hope that is stopped as well. Why aren’t more women’s groups speaking out against this atrocity? All of Western society should be up in arms over the Burka and Sharia Law. Are they afraid? Fear will only get them more of the same.

  2. Alavi Hossain Says:

    this is actually kind of tough for me to have a set opinion on. of course i agree that it is a terrible way to treat women and should not be promoted by anyone, but culturally it is wrong of us to say that “if you live in this country, you must dress like the population”. it makes me terribly sad to see women submit to such tyranny, but is it the right of a nation to make these women reveal their faces? i dont approve of sagging pants because they make me uncomfortable so should it be outlawed to do so? i guess theres a limit to all of it though, these burkas are rather ludicrous and demeaning.


  3. Atheros Says:

    I suppose the best cure for the western world would be to ban religion completely. Then I suppose we wouldn’t have to start banning burkas, ritual knives, swords etc and start having the discussion on what we are allowed to wear etc. Banning the selling of something that isn’t in anyway proven is completely justified IMO.

    That, would be doing us all a favour. Lets face it it cannot be proven, yet these churches, mosques, temples, synagogues etc are selling it legally to us all. No other company, organisation can legally do that – so why does religion get a free pass. No religion, no burka – no BS – perfect..

  4. Alavi Hossain Says:

    i really dont think banning religion would be the way to go. it’s actually a terrible idea. of course i dont want religion around, but we’d be no better than the religious themselves if we made it illegal. it would be morally unacceptable to do so. in addition to that, there will always be factors like nationalism, communism, and many more to deal with regardless. the best way is to educate. everyone has the right to believe what they want even if it is absolutely bogus. so instead of forcing someone to do something or believe something, which never really works in the long run, why not explain to them why something wrong or right? obviously there are people who will never be convinced, but the best we can do is filter out those people and work with the reasonable majority of the world. speak out against the lunacy, but dont force people into abandoning it. i think most muslims, understand why burqas are not morally or ethically justifiable, but are just too uncomfortable criticizing people who follow the same religion as they do. that fear can be conquered through reasonable means.


  5. John Says:

    Demeaning and degrading; torture and suppression… is the same in all languages.

  6. NoRelsction Says:

    likr ithere

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  8. NoReflection Says:

    much better,, gotta know who you are ,, can get lost easy

  9. solomon Says:

    The burqa is the most effective practice to safeguard women againsts sex abuses or offenders. By not seing a womans face or body men will hardly developed desire, lusts or fantasy compared to seing bare women.

  10. solomon Says:

    No complains have been raised by womens wearing burqa that they become prisoners behind a screen, cut off from all social life or deprived of all identity.That are only accusations made by the author of the quote.

  11. PEB Says:

    There is no Islamic requirement for the burqa. What a burqa suggests is that Islamic men can’t seem to help themselves from humping any women who show an inch of flesh. In more developed countries this isn’t a problem because women are rightly treated as equals and not objects.

    I think I would ban anyone under 18 wearing a burqa but would stop short of a full ban (but they must be removed at airports and other secure facilities).

  12. Atheist MC Says:

    Religious symbol of not, repressive or not, the Burqa should not be allowed in public spaces.
    No one has the right to anonymity in our society. We do however have the right to know who we are dealing with and sharing our public spaces with. Frankly wearing a Burqa is just downright rude and disrespectful to western culture.

  13. solomon Says:

    Exposing womens flesh have contributed to all kinds of evils or sins, fornications occurs everywhere around the world.Mens are all the same, have desires. Its not accurate to say Islamic men can’t seem to help themselves from humping any women who show an inch of flesh.But by not seeing womens flesh ones desires is controlled or retard.Just saying wearing burqa is a rude gesture comes from the mouth of only immatured individuals.

  14. Atheist MC Says:

    Typically twisted religious “thinking” that puts the responsibility on a woman not to be raped, rather than on the man not to be a rapist. Frankly if a woman walked out in public naked, she would still have the right not to be molested.

  15. PEB Says:

    Along the same lines of insanity:

    Ayatollah Kazem Sedighi said last week “Many women who do not dress modestly … lead young men astray, corrupt their chastity and spread adultery in society, which (consequently) increases earthquakes.”

    …so today “boobquake” is in full swing.


  16. The Heretic Says:

    If Muslim men really feel that way, then they are they dishonor themselves with their complete lack of self control. Control that 95% of the rest of the world seems to possess (give or take a criminal or two.) What a sad thing to admit to the world. Your people use the criminal act of rape (sometimes gang rapes by city counsils) to dishonor woman and their families. That is deplorable, pathetic, and savage.

  17. John Says:

    Animal instincts will not be observed if a woman wears a burqa! How animal are human men? Could it be possibly true we humans are in really just only self proclaimed superior (the proof is not 100% in) animals and not the true center of the universe as proclaimed in those out of date – man written books of scam? ‘Over a rage of cloth?

  18. John Says:

    You nailed it Heretic.

  19. solomon Says:


    Don’t try to rant about self control.Even seeing a mans ass youre already out of control. Whaaa.ka..ka…ka…

  20. tech Says:

    Hog wash.

  21. solomon Says:

    To whom are you refering to tech?

  22. tech Says:

    The way a women dresses certainly has a lot to do with sex. Atheist, all women have that right.Rape takes that from them. Which is easier,hire a much bigger police force or have women dress a little more modest.You have to admit there is a lot of flanting going on in this world these days.And NO I do not condone rapists.

  23. Alavi Hossain Says:

    they make it seem like women dont have lusts. when a straight woman sees a fit guy at the beach with his shirt off, thoughts of sexuality enter her mind, thats obvious. so lets require men to wear full sleeve t-shirts at the beach. since a mans face can also conjure up thoughts of sex, lets make him wear a hat and scarf around his face. not a burqa though, that would look ridiculous on a man. nobody is saying women should be able to run around naked. but if you restrict a womans physical exposure, u need to do it for the men as well. it’s wrong to try and control sexual thoughts and behaviors to the extent of forcing others to change their lifestyles, simply because it can cause a muslim to get a public erection.


  24. The Heretic Says:

    But you do make excuses for men who cannot control their urges. Pathetic.

  25. John Says:

    No…… IT”S Animal!!!!

  26. Terence Meaden Says:

    “The burqa is not a religious sign…..”

    Maybe not, but it is a sign of what is going inside the heads of burqa-wearing women.
    Like their men they believe that the epileptic founder of their religion really did meet Archangel Gabriel who arrived on a white steed flying through the sky.
    That he was taken by the said angel to see six of the seven imaginary heavens that are suppposed to be layered above Jerusalem.
    That Adam and Eve were the ancestral founders of humankind a few thousand years ago, that everything we know about the 13.7 billion year old Universe and its cosmology and a 4.5 billion year old Earth is wrong . . . . . .

    Their ignorance is about as bad as the unintelligence of the IDers and other fundamentalist christians.

  27. Bornagain A. Theist Says:

    There is an implication, here, that a woman can “invite” rape through her actions or her dress.

    That is clearly impossible.

    In any civilized society, men know that they are never to violate the privacy of another human being, be it man or woman. Men who rape, be they pope or pauper, are uncivilized and must be extracted from civilized society. Exactly how that extraction should be accomplished is the subject of another discussion, but extracted they must be. It is deplorable and degrading that we have “sex offenders” actually living free among us.

    There are some societies on our planet which are, as yet, uncivilized. A characteristic of being uncivilized, as far as this conversation is concerned, would be for the society to cast blame on the female for her own rape, to ask that she cover her body to avoid tempting the male members, etc.

    The greater the influence of religion in a society, the lesser the degree of civilization. Belief in imaginary sources to explain the origin of life and the universe go hand in hand with the belief that skin exposure, clothing styles, hair length, dancing, swimming and the like can be correlated with personal morals. It’s hogwash and poppycock.

    Any woman (or man, for that matter) should be able to “flaunt” everything they have without fear of rape or retribution of any sort… ahh, but that would require a society that has matured to the point where there is no religion and which has achieved “civilized” status.

    That is when everyone is “good for goodness sake”…



  28. solomon Says:

    No need for a headache on this burqa stuffs folks.I have one simple solution.
    Just ask the male ape.Which female ape will they chase.The naked one or the one wearing burqa?


  29. John Says:

    BAT; what about the laws of a country? In muslin nations it appears that rape is condoned because the preachers are in charge. In the West; the laws are in charge however the preachers seem to get away with rape because of the law.

  30. The Heretic Says:

    I think it is the same principle as nudity in America v. French Riviera. Women go topless in France and it is not considered abnormal or sexualized. In America, where we are prudes to the extreme, such behavior would get you arrested. At nude beaches, there is no sexualization at all (or not much.) When society hides its bodies and objectifies them, sexual violence is the outcome of such repressions. In places where nudity is open and free, such tendancies are rare. IMHO, this is why priests behave in such deplorable manners. They covet that which is denied to them. If all Muslim women went about in normal clothing, I posit that the reprobate tendancies of the Muslim men would disappear within a generation.

  31. CaptainZero1969 Says:

    I agree completely that the burqa or even the hijab are symbols of female oppression by an ignorant and patriarchal religion. In a perfect world, no woman could be compelled to accept these shackles nor would she desire to. That said, I get uncomfortable telling people what they can wear. To do so makes you no better than the mullah that would punish a woman for wearing a tank top. But in one important respect the burqa is special: security.

    For security reasons, we must be able to see that a person is what their dress advertises them to be. We must be able to see faces and our clothing cannot be such that it’s very nature can easily be used as a weapon. We offer our faces to the world where people can see our gender and read our intentions. Our clothing doesn’t conceal a large amount of explosives that we intend to detonate on a bus, in a market, on a plane.

    Muslims have brought this very justifiable suspicion on themselves.

  32. CaptainZero1969 Says:

    I 2nd your last, Heretic. Repression has terrible consequences.

  33. Hypatia Says:

    Instead of preserving morality the burka is actually useful for an illicit extramarital affair. A women can come and go as she pleases and no one has a clue who she is.

    In a recent polygamy case on France it proved impossible to tell how many wives the man was living with because to outside observers they all looked the same.

  34. Holysmokes Says:

    The OBVIOUS bottom line regarding this ridiculous garb is that low-life muslim men blame women for men’s inability to act in a civilized manner. It’s got to be one of the stupidest things a religion can do.

    ATTENTION all muslim men: Begin following this new policy change immediately. Place a 20 pound steel chastity belt with a 10 pound titanium lock on all weak-minded muslim men who can’t seem to keep their tallywhacker in their pants. That should be about 90% of you geniuses Attention all muslim women: Make certain you hold all the keys.

  35. solomon Says:

    All you Atheists,

    Instead of ranting have you tried to ask the male ape’s opinion that I I’ve told earlier?

  36. Margaret Says:

    You really want an answer to the “ape question”?
    Don’t you realize you are basically equating Muslim men to beasts without control?
    The ape would go after the female that is in heat, naked or not. Clothing would provide no obstacle.
    You do not have a valid point. Human females do not go into heat. Women and men BOTH are to use our human brains to control our sexuality. If you cannot see that, you are reprobate. The Burka, in Western society, draws attention to the female, so it can in no way be considered modest. If she would want to fit in our culture without drawing attention to herself, she would wear slacks and a loose shirt, modestly. The burka is just a method to use your women to shove your religion down the West’s throat to try to force the non-Muslims to recognize the validity of your primitive world view. What is next, strapping explosives to women under the burkas to terrorize the rest of us? Women are expendable to Muslims, do not even have a soul. Guess the “soul” is in the danglies, right Sol.
    I do not accept your religion. Your “ape” analogy should make you ashamed of yourself. Are you really that silly?

  37. Greg Says:

    Yep. He really is.