8th October 2010
“We conclude that the religious nature of intelligent design would be readily apparent to an objective observer, adult or child.”
“We conclude that the religious nature of intelligent design would be readily apparent to an objective observer, adult or child.”
October 8th, 2010 at 10:36
Well duh! I guess we can all be grateful it was readily apparent to Judge John E. Jones. I am sure there are plenty on the circuit for whom it wouldn’t be.
October 8th, 2010 at 10:37
Incidently, on an obliquely related note, arch I.D proponents Micheal Behe’s son has come out as an atheist.
October 8th, 2010 at 10:50
The is full of rebels.
October 8th, 2010 at 10:51
That should read the world is full of rebels.
October 8th, 2010 at 11:47
tech,
A conservative judge who listens to evidence isn’t a rebel.
October 8th, 2010 at 12:23
I read the entire court transcript a couple years ago. Yes, it took me a while. In my opinion the judge bent over backwards to allow these people to present their entire case. They only succeeded in digging their own graves. Even a conservative pro-religious judge would have had an extremely difficult time coming to any other conclusion. Sometimes the justice system actually works correctly in this country. Kudos to Judge Jones!
October 8th, 2010 at 12:25
I thought the whole Dover case was fascinating and it gave me some hope. It is funny at how proponents of ID will just wave their hand at it as they do anything that doesn’t line right up…..history, science, etc. The PBS thing on it was pretty good. The part where the lawyer places a stack of books in front of Behe I think was awesome.
Atheist MC that should make good reading during slow periods today. How do we know he is who he say’s he is?
October 8th, 2010 at 12:42
Hmm! That occurred to me too Ernie. Apparently Reddit asks for some verification for claiments on IamA. Also I got the story via Pharyngula and P.Z tends to be reliable.
October 8th, 2010 at 14:18
I,m sorry guys it seems I got mixed up, my comment was on the son who was, come out as an atheist.The Mc spoke of.
October 8th, 2010 at 15:03
Tech, Is English not your first language?
October 8th, 2010 at 16:45
Dan yes English is my first language lol.
October 8th, 2010 at 18:15
When George W. Bush appointee Judge Jones was assigned the Dover case, religious conservatives cackled “we’ve got ’em right where we want ’em”. After all, Jones is a conservative and a good Lutheran. Funny how fast they decided he’s an “activist judge” when he called them on their bullshit. The same people that were supportive of his appointment were now sending him and his family death threats. These people don’t lose with dignity. Watch the documentary and you’ll see that even after they had their muzzles slapped for their obvious attempt to insert religion into the secular square they are completely unrepentant and continue to justify their dishonesty. I thought lying was a sin, religious nuts. OH! It’s okay to lie if you’re doing it for the lord, right? Some morals…
October 8th, 2010 at 19:05
Oh but CZ those were not True Chriatians (TM) remember?
Yeah sure.
October 8th, 2010 at 19:09
Exactlty Captain! Also I have read a bit into the case but some of you have been mentioning a documentary or PBS special? What might that be called?
Thanks guys and gals.
October 8th, 2010 at 20:03
I think this is it:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/intelligent-design-trial.html
NOVA Intelligent Design On Trail
October 8th, 2010 at 20:19
Wouldn’t a god, who has magical, omnipotent powers, create lifeforms that are SIMPLER in design, rather than more complex? They could function simply by the power of his WILL, rather than by needing any chemical processes or obeying the laws of physics. Gods wouldn’t be constricted by such laws. If god created everything for us (so that we in turn could worship him), then the scope of the universe should reflect that, and its size should be much better suited for our species’ numbers, rather than the vast, emptiness that stretches for endless light years.
And if a watch requires a designer, that designer still had a source. If there’s an super-designer, what’s his source? It took humanity 200,000 YEARS to make a watch, and it took the universe 13.5 BILLION years to make HUMANITY. I have no place in my intellect for a magical creature that can “poof” a watch into existence.
Every watch I’ve ever seen is man-made. Therefore we can conclude (with backwards, theist logic), that the super-designer is man-made also.
October 8th, 2010 at 22:26
Ah, thank you very much Ernie! I look forward to getting my hands on that.
October 8th, 2010 at 23:41
Trial… it should be Trial.
October 9th, 2010 at 0:12
Tech, what’s so wrong with rebellion? If it wasn’t for rebellion, America would not be here, we would still be kissing ass to the great pope king. If rebellion didn’t exist, nobody who is slightly different than the majority would have any form of rights because they would not stand for themselves. Blacks would still be slaves, women would have no rights, a man would be tortured for his attractions, and I guarantee you that destructive dictatorial governments would be reigning over a third world poverty stricken world.
Rebellion is the greatest form of free thinking out there, and almost always brings progress. If you want to look down at “rebels” just because of some angst driven teen stereotyped it all for you, then you are no different than the dictator I mentioned above.
October 9th, 2010 at 0:48
Great EnglishSin,there is a proverb that says:Become wise by walking with the wise,hang out with fools and watch your live fall to pieces.
October 9th, 2010 at 0:50
Ernie,choose an author as choose a friend.
October 9th, 2010 at 2:44
Tech, there is a proverb that applies too you as well. “It is better to be thought ignorant, than to open your mouth a remove all doubt.” How many times do you have to be proven wrong before you relent. Here’s idea, pray that your god can give you the wisdom to tell bullshit from facts.
October 9th, 2010 at 6:06
“Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain – and most fools do.”
Dale Carnegie
I can throw quotes, too.
October 10th, 2010 at 16:39
Well than I have many authors as friends.