17th February 2010

“If candidates adhere to a belief system and their voting on matters is subject to an authority outside the political constituency then we should definitely be told before an election.”


29 Responses to “17th February 2010”

  1. CaptainZero1969 Says:

    Would I want to know before an election that a candidate’s views on, say, Israel, are informed by biblical literalism? Yes, I would. Would I like to know before an election that a candidate’s biblical literalism is his justification for hating, say, homosexuals (or catholics, or muslims or amalekites)? Yes, that too. Would I like to know before I elect someone that they think the earth is younger than the domestication of the dog? You… freaking… bet.

  2. brighter future Says:

    What if we try harder to illuminate the beliefs of elected officials and candidates so voters know what the candidates’ beliefs are? My personal experience (in an area of many types of christian churches) is that the catholics hate the evangelicals, the evangelicals “own” christianity, the baptists hate all other religions and sects of christianity (they seem to be such haters), they all think mormons are crazy-following a crazy man’s rantings (OK I think that for sure), etc. etc. If the public knew the specifics of candidates’ beliefs, wouldn’t there be fewer people interested in voting for many of these people? “I’ll vote for him/her because they are a christian” might change to “I can’t vote for him/her-they aren’t a ‘real’ christian”…(I’ve heard that comment a few times-well, they aren’t really christians.)

  3. MagicAintReal Says:

    What’s sad is that many Americans vote on the religion of the candidate when they should be voting on the reasons that the candidate supplies for political conclusions. Yeah I would want to know if a candidate actually believes in Armageddon or 72 virgins in heaven. The reasons for these conclusions are invalid. Perhaps the reasons for their political choices are also invalid.

  4. Oxymoronic Christhinker Says:

    A better indicator of what a candidate will do is what they’ve already done, not what they claim to “believe,” even if they’ve never done anything. I am interested in their beliefs (as a candidate) only insofar as those beliefs can help me understand what they will do. Even then, it ain’t always exactly clear.

    But I for one will never knowingly vote for a “creationist,” or anyone else who cannot understand the most rudimentary concepts and conclusions of science, or for anyone who claims belief in an “any-day-now-Jesus/Mahdi/WTF-ever-will-return-and-kill-all-unbelievers” brand of eschatological religion.

  5. Tech Says:

    Oxy are ready to be stamped 666 ?

  6. The Heretic Says:

    Tech you are beginning to sound like Solomon. You run out of arguments and then condemn a person to hell, or call them Satan. You people are unbelievable. And you wonder why we caste scorn in your direction.

  7. CaptainZero1969 Says:

    Nice one, Tech. At root, your position is ENTIRELY about fear and punishment. You throw an insult at your concept of “god” (whatever that might mean) when you suggest she’d (Or was it he? – I’ve yet to see a penis) punish an honest believer like Oxy. For what? For the crime of actually using his “god given” intellect? That’s pathetic and small. For your sake, I hope no such creature with omnipotent power exists because we’d all fail the rigged tests of such a monster.

  8. solomon Says:

    God is most intelligent. He works in mysterious ways.Only the true & honest humble heart will be showed the path.The other ungrateful lots will be burned in Hell.

  9. MagicAintReal Says:

    What portion of your holy book did Oxy violate to be thrown into hell?

  10. Tech Says:

    The good book says in James; He that knoweth to do good and doet not to him it is a sin.From what I can see on this site. You all know the difference .Listen people I judge no one.I’m just a sinner saved by the grace of God.As for oxy I was just wondering thats all. I do not or ever have condemed anyone on this site or else where.

  11. MagicAintReal Says:

    Solomon, how do you know that hell exists or that it is necessarily a bad place to be?
    See, I think that everyone goes to Candyland after they die. Why am I wrong?

  12. Atheist MC Says:

    I wonder how useful disclosure of belief would be. In the U.S disclosure that a candidate was an atheist would pretty much lose him/her the election regardless of how worthy a politician they were (perhaps not so much in europe). I think the fundie wingnuts pretty much out themselves. It’s hard to be a homophobic, racist, creationist retard without letting on every time you open your mouth.

  13. Tech Says:

    Well Mr MC , I’m not homophobic, I’m definitely not a racist. I’m far from a retard.As I said before I’m not ashame of my beliefs. For some the only time they open their mouths its to change feet.

  14. John Says:

    Death, natural or otherwise is on the final page of life my religious fools fore as much as you wish it to be, there is no Land of Make Believe. Belief in a magic being saving your ass is nothing but a Grand Illusion and truly the Greatest Lie Ever Told. Now I do see why the doomed United States is in such a bloody mess. With the Old Guard (99.9999% of which are mostly rich, white, 1950’s era christian males) trying to hold on to old-outdated Bronze Age and Dark Age Cult beliefs systems that suppress Human rights and have always (Past and Present) murdered anyone with an alternate view point.
    Even the United States Number One Export is now War and Death!! The end is near my religious fools however, it’s not foreseen out of one of your old dreary outdated books that have been written for the illiterate. Evolution “IS” and always will be the greatest threat to religion; either in the from of “R”evolution as soon to be in Iran; the Evolution of the Human Species as evidenced in the Fossil Record, Science and the Evolution of the Mind as witnessed in the jubilation one feels with Reasoning and Critical Thinking.

  15. Atheist MC Says:

    Well Mr MC , I’m not homophobic, I’m definitely not a racist. I’m far from a retard.

    Cool! Then can I suggest you give up being a creationist for lent?

  16. Tech Says:

    As I said before some only open their mouths to chage feet. Lent?

  17. Tech Says:

    to change feet

  18. Oxymoronic Christhinker Says:

    Amazing to me how quick so many of my fellow religionists are to provide irrefutable evidence that the criticisms of certain aspects of their beliefs and associated actions by no-religionists (whether believers, agnostics, atheists, anti-theists, or what-have-yous) are, well . . . irrefutable! Ironically, they seem unable to understand – or even notice – the irony. Funny and sad all at the same time.

    And politically? Very, very dangerous.

  19. Oxymoronic Christhinker Says:


    I’ve actually been to Candyland, and I assure you, everyone there is fat and happy, although their teeth are in bad shape as there is currently a shortage of dentists.

  20. Tech Says:

    Oxy,what a shame you seem like a well educated human being.God gave you a brain .Use It.The fact That I believe in God.I fail to see what kind of a treat I am to anyone.Iam an asset to my fellow man.As for Candy Land, how about “Walmart”

  21. Oxymoronic Christhinker Says:

    Well, tech, I don’t really know what to say, but here goes:

    You don’t seem very well educated at all, but then, technically neither am I; as I’ve stated before, I am a high school drop-out. Nor did I ever imply that you are a “treat” to anyone. “Creationism” and its associated ideas are very much a threat, however, no mater how nice the person who holds them. Any time people choose ignorance over knowledge there is an inherent threat involved. Note that that sort of threat need not be personally intentional on your part, though the ignorance certainly is. You may very well be an asset to the people around you, loved ones, etc…, but willful idiocy is a serious threat to humankind as a whole. Your propensity for implying that those who do not hold your views are evil (read back over your responses – you don’t really expect me to believe your comment about “666” was “just wondering” do you?) shows beyond a shadow of doubt that you have no real interest in education, debate, or even a polite agreeing to disagree. You do a disservice to both religion and to your God. Go back to school. Read a book. Try thinking before you post. Do something. Stop being such an easy target.

    And shove your 666 up your ass.

  22. Holysmokes Says:

    I think the request behind this quote is reasonable. The only problem is, how many politicians would be up front and honest about it? It seems to me that one worth his/her salt would simply look at the demographics in the region and and adopt that specific religion thereby creating an obvious advantage.

  23. Tech Says:

    Oxy you sure are polite. Thank you sir, you are indeed a fine bit of work. You will certainly have the option for the # 666.

  24. Atheist MC Says:

    You will certainly have the option for the # 666.

    looking forward to posts from OxymoronicAntiChristhinker 🙂

  25. Atheist MC Says:


    Hmmm, I didn’t think that was a controversial concept. I’m intrigued though. Is lent particular to some brands of christian theology or even anathema to some? I would love to know.

  26. Oxymoronic Christhinker Says:

    So, non-politeness is a prerequisite for inclusion within the gaping maw of His Eternal Unholiness, the Satan (BTW, tech, your apparent understanding of the Fallen Onel indicates a rather pedestrian misunderstanding of its biblical role, but an understanding entirely inline with Christian conservative right-wingnut stupidology). Wonderful. By that criteria, even Jesus – who on many occasions was far from polite – will find himself eternally aflame. And still, tech, you miss the irony inherent in each and every idiotic thing you write. You still condemn me to the Beast, or is that possibility now merely optional? Are you certain now, or are you still “just wondering?” I’ll give you this, however: your writing abilities miraculously improve whenever you feel someone has been mean to you. I suggest that in the interest of clarity in your own posts, you assume everyone is a big meany all the time. Or, alternatively, perhaps the 666 up your posterior has actually improved your intellectual abilities? A little Satan can go a long way! I also suggest you give up dumbassedness for Lent (you do know what Lent is, don’t you?). In return, I will give up trying to understand you. Deal?

  27. Oxymoronic Christhinker Says:

    Crap, my lack of education is showing. That should read “Fallen One,” not “Fallen Onel.” Peace.

  28. solomon Says:

    Oxymoronic Christhinker = Beast


  29. Greg Says:

    Oxy, you know you’ve won the debate when all you get in return from those who oppose you is schoolyard name calling and infantile taunts.