30th January 2010
“What is there in religion that completely flabbergasts the wits of those who believe in it? I see no logical necessary for that flabbergasting. Religion, after all, is nothing but an hypothesis framed to account for what is evidentially unaccounted for. In other fields, such hypotheses are common, and yet they do no apparent damage to those who incline to them. But in the religious field they quickly rush the believer to the intellectual Bad Lands. He not only becomes anaesthetic to objective fact; he becomes a violent enemy of objective fact. It annoys and irritates him. He sweeps it away as something somehow evil.”
H.L. Mencken1880 – 1956
January 30th, 2010 at 1:33
The fanciful thought of living forever in a ‘land of milk and honey’ together with the real fear of the excruciating agony of everlasting torture should he decide NOT to accept the fanciful thought seems to create an opiate more powerful than heroine or opium. It seems to drive many insane! It is heartbreaking to see and sometimes very difficult to break free of.
BAT
January 30th, 2010 at 1:56
Theres no question of insanity involvement at all. Believers feels the confidence, feel the solace,knowing that they are in very powerful hands of god. They did’nt feel the fear or agony of any everlasting torture. Those are only in the minds of unbelievers who still wants to continue in committing sins.
January 30th, 2010 at 1:56
Another jewel from a sodden clod:
“Then try to reason this out;
THE CREATED BRAIN THINKS HE’S NOT CREATED”
This is so circular I’m getting dizzy!
The short answer is simply this:
The brain is not created and is therefore correct in thinking that it is not created.
The long answer is well beyond you, dude, for it has been offered and ignored by you time after time, so there’s no use going over it again.
BAT
January 30th, 2010 at 2:26
How was it at an early age 6,7 yr`s old when it was first introduced to me( Religion) that i felt no need for it. Some time`s i feel as if ,Hmm hard to explaine but some how like being inslaved for someone else`s intention`s .Maybe way back there was no need for God or Religion ? Maybe there are doors that are open for us where others have there`s still closed . I make a conscious effort to believe in everything but yet don`t want to know everything .Leaving all possibity`s open keeps us fresh and alive and I do believe if we knew everthing our need to evolve would stop.We are hated , feared and accused of there fuck ups because we are a minority and definitly out numberd by GOD`S MOB ,But then they kill each other. Hmm unsuppressed of the mind ,or maybe we know something they don`t and we really don`t know why ourselve`s. Embrace the unknown do not fear it .I have to believe there is an entity that man has created and gave it the name God , and if so it can be uncreated . Free will yes we all have it and that is to let evolution take it`s course and not dictated by a few with power. Free will is not growing a foot by willing it , it is letting the universe take it`s natural course. WOW I usually don`t write this much but I feel much better and not so much alone since i discoverd this site .Keep up the good work Men
January 30th, 2010 at 2:50
Hang on King Sol ,I new nothing of true evil until of absolute hypocracy in the church ,you kill in the name of God for your own pleasure.Religion has slaughterd entire native village`s ,culture`s in the name of God , no wait for your own pleasure, you burned innocent people at the stake for your own pleasure and you use God and the bible as an excuse for doing it,hang on toss in a whole shit load of ignorance to, a bible wich you wrote with your own hand`s or mite as well have aslong as you keep it under your pillow at night .You can`t hide in a church forever use the bible to cover you`re sins people just like you made this happin I can see right through you, Your prejudgment on people who don`t belong to a gang or even worse you`re gang YES GANG politicaly backed with white collared power freaks . I am an agnostic and proud of it and you can`t cover you`re evil with a few good deads hear and there I can see through that to .
January 30th, 2010 at 3:15
I getting on board with Greg and the last address he made to Sol, yesterday. Many of us have gone out of the way to entertain subjects brought up by Sol and to attempt to enter in to honest debate or discussion. It is all to no avail. So, as suggested, if there is no intelligent response forthcoming, I too will not address any comments or respond to any direct comments from Sol.
Noreflection, you are welcome here. If you look back over the last week or so, you will understand why Greg and I are fixin’ to boycott Sol.
January 30th, 2010 at 3:48
Dear Noreflection,
You should direct your babbling accusations to tech, not me.
January 30th, 2010 at 3:50
Dear Bornagain A. Theist ,
Only god knows whose honest and who’s not. Enough of pretending to be so with your twisted tounge.
January 30th, 2010 at 4:18
Thanks for the support BAT.
I like the fact that both tech and oxy are at least open to debate and are respectful in their responses.
I might not agree with thier views on religion, but I’m almost certain I could have pint of beer with either one of them and a good conversation without fear of being physically harmed!
January 30th, 2010 at 4:27
Solomon, it’s me, Mohammed.
Quit being a douche bag and get with the program here! If you don’t I’ll reduce your virgin-when-you-die quota to three mid-surgery transexuals.
Mohammed. Praise be to me, etc, etc.
January 30th, 2010 at 6:02
Dear Mohammed The Prophet(imposter)
An argument came out from a ‘chicken’. No need to bother.
January 30th, 2010 at 6:07
Dear Bornagain A. Theist,
‘The brain is not created and is therefore correct in thinking that it is not created.’
That means the table can also say “I’am not created” ????
You better leave your brain behind BAT.
January 30th, 2010 at 7:00
Solomon
This is Mohammed again. Seriously, I’m warning you to behave. Don’t be a complete douche! Have some respect for others on this site or I’ll criple your camel. Then how will you get to Achmed-Mart for your goat milk?
Sincerely,
Mohammed. Praise be to me, etc, etc.
January 30th, 2010 at 15:16
Solomon would you care to elaborate on that last statement you made to Noreflection . I for one am somewhat in agreement with what was posted by Mr. Noreflection.
January 30th, 2010 at 16:09
Spot on Greg! I’m all up for that pint with all of you.
I’m wondering something though???
In the local Pub, would we perhaps be sitting at a table that was aware of its own existence? One that came into existence through biological means and whose parents could have been ‘oh so unique’: Perhaps his father a work bench and his mother a lovely armoire? Imagine what a racket their lovemaking would have caused. Having a table for a son would give new meaning to, “I’ll take you out to the woodshed…”
I don’t even know why I’m asking such a thing.
It sounds completely idiotic!!
But somewhere – it almost seems like it was on these boards – I got the impression that perhaps tables, like humans, were sentient beings and even had the ability to ponder their own existence. Naahh! I was right. It IS completely idiotic. Never mind!
However I am glad to see that one of the invisible gods has seen fit to join us. The ruthless mo-fo has a lot of explainin’ to do for the past, present and future, but at least he’s off to a good start on these boards. He’s earned a “praise be to ye, etc. etc.”
BAT
January 30th, 2010 at 16:32
Good quote. I’ve had these same questions for years. It’s always been amazing to me how people I’ve met can be absolutely floored by “god’s majesty” or whatever, when, besides moldy books, there’s no reason at all to believe any of it. They are looking at me saying “we can’t believe you don’t see the beautiful unicorn!” Well, I’m sorry. I don’t see it. I saw a shadow out of the corner of my eye once when I was a child but since then the more intently I looked the easier it was to believe there was no unicorn and the people saying there was one were suffering from some sort of delusion.
And the reasons they give for not seeing it – “you have a sick heart”, “you have closed your heart to the unicorn”, “you don’t WANT to see the unicorn” are just so condescending and insulting to people that think with their brains, not their hearts.
Mencken is right that this kind of mental habit damages the practitioner.
My turn to buy a round. Double IPA for me.
January 30th, 2010 at 16:36
Furniture sex – the newest creationist fetish. I may have to start a web site! I’ve got this chaise that’s a total whore…
January 30th, 2010 at 17:11
Captian, question sir if may? Have you ever heard term Paradigm Shift.
January 30th, 2010 at 17:15
Oh, CZ, I really want to be there now. We can discuss the lovely music of Pink Floyd over our pints. That was a “fleeting glimpse” that you saw. You turned to look but it was gone. You could not put your finger on it. The child is gone; the dream is gone.
Man, as long as I can easily envision a whorish chase, I will NOT consider myself comfortably numb.
BAT
January 30th, 2010 at 17:31
I just investigated “paradigm shift” which led me to “zeitgeist” which led me to this terribly interesting tidbit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjGkRFFBd0A
BAT
January 30th, 2010 at 18:20
Captain I can’t for the live me understand your above statement. ‘ i just investigated paradigm shift which led me to zeitgeist which led me to this terribly interesting tidbit;and then the sight. My question again , have ever heard of Paradigm shift? Before I first asked of course.
January 30th, 2010 at 18:20
site
January 30th, 2010 at 18:42
My apology to site for my English & spelling errors.
January 30th, 2010 at 18:48
Twasn’t Captain, man; twas me, BAT. And while I realize your question was addressed to CapZ, I feel just as welcome to jump in on a subject as I want you or anyone else to feel jumping in on my subjects.
Here is how the seemingly odd chain of events occurred. I googled “paradigm shift” (because, though I have heard the term, I was ignorant of its meaning(s).
It seems that its meaning(s) have vastly expanded since its origin in 1962 when Thomas Kuhn invented the term.
One of many comments in Wikipedia is: “Since the 1960s, the term has been found useful to thinkers in numerous non-scientific contexts. Compare as a structured form of Zeitgeist.” That term rang a bell. I had seen an “issue” if you please, of Zeitgeist on YouTube, and I recall that it dealt with religion. Given that we are discussing religion, or the lack of it on this board, I felt that the link I sent was as appropriate as could be.
Dare I ask if you watched the contents of the link?
If not, why not?
If so, do you have any relevant, logical comments?
If you refuse to do so, for any reason other than having already watched it and given it thought, would you be surprised if we were disappointed in your choice?
BAT
January 30th, 2010 at 18:49
Don’t you worry about your English and spelling. You are trying and you are participating – that’s what counts.
BAT
January 30th, 2010 at 22:29
BAT
I just sat through the full 2 hour video and it is an eye opener. Part one is why I am and will always be an Atheist. Part 2, Ii sort of always figured from the BS of da’bush and da’dick last 8 years of doom. Part 3 I heard about years ago in college and I think at that time they where called the Tri-lateralist’s or something like that.
Praise be to the US DOLLAR!!
This is where I found the video you spoke of.
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197
January 31st, 2010 at 2:07
Dear tech,
I don’t know at which part you agree with Noreflection, but a quick glance to his comments I sense that the comments should be directed to Christians not me a Muslim. I did mention the word babbling. It was not directed to his comments but to himself rather.
January 31st, 2010 at 2:20
Somebody mentions unicorn.
To me unicorn is just like a cartoon character as bedtime stories to little children.
January 31st, 2010 at 3:06
Hey! Unicorns and God have a lot in common! Well spotted, Sol!
January 31st, 2010 at 3:26
Another comment coming out from a “chicken” as expected. No need to bother.
January 31st, 2010 at 6:07
Hi CapZ,
From an evolutionary point of view, unicorns are infinitely more probable than God.
Greg
January 31st, 2010 at 6:17
Another evolving “chicken”. puk……..puk.. puk..puk..
February 2nd, 2010 at 16:54
You all are twisting my reasoning regarding the table creation as if I said the table undergoes biological life. My example of citing the table creation is to reason out any existing thing except God must have a creator.